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1 posted on 01/13/2004 4:47:36 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com
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We are being primed for full blown socialism.

The elites have realized that the easiest way to manage us (and thus secure their lofty positions - in perpetuity) is to turn us into dependent sheep.

First, the middle class must be eroded. Then, national sovereignty.

It will all be soft and gradual - spread out strategically over a couple generations, allowing progressive indoctrination to take root, and smooth the process.
2 posted on 01/13/2004 4:54:32 PM PST by StatesEnemy
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. During the so-called bracero ("strong-armed one") program from 1942 to 1964, the number of unauthorized Mexicans slipping across the border actually expanded in parallel with the number of authorized temporary workers; the illegal flows then continued to accelerate after the program's termination...

I don't buy this at all. The guest worker program applied on the East Coast as well as the West. East Coast workers were primarily from island nations like Jamaica, Barbados, Haiti, etc. They were seasonal workers, they didn't bring their families, and much of the money they earned wasn't given to them until they arrived back in their native country.

Companies that supplied the seasonal workers did well if they went by the rules. The people who hired seasonal workers used these companies, because they were shielded from any immigration problems by the companies.

The reason these programs were ended is because Liberals thought the workers weren't living well enough. They mostly lived in camps - some were better than others - but the employers were reluctant to build much better quarters for a crew that would live there about 1 month/yr.

3 posted on 01/13/2004 5:03:34 PM PST by speekinout
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4 posted on 01/13/2004 5:08:32 PM PST by moehoward
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...guest worker programs are virtual recipes for mutual dependence between employers and the migrants who work for them. Employers naturally grow to depend on the supply of low-wage and compliant labor, relaxing their domestic recruitment efforts and adjusting their production methods to take advantage of the cheap labor. History has shown that in agriculture (where many Mexican guest workers would be employed), a pool of cheap workers gives farm owners strong incentives to expand the planting of labor-intensive crops rather than invest in mechanized labor-saving equipment and the crops suitable for it...

Aka: a third world country.

Before you vote for Bush, you should ask yourself these questions.

If slavery of blacks is wrong then why is slave labor of Mexicans and other nationalities and ethnic groups not wrong?

If the minimum wage and child labor laws are humane for American citizens, why are they not humane for Mexicans and other nationalities and ethnic groups?

And why should an illegal be awarded jobs over proven law-abiding citizens?

Should Bush's interest and the nation's interest be to give our money, health-care, protection, and other resources to a people who have no interest or value in our nation's survival or sovereignty?

Is such a President upholding his oath of office to serve and protect America's interests and people?

Is such a person fit to lead our country and hold our country's most powerful position?

Is such a person fit to hold the most powerful position in the world?

5 posted on 01/13/2004 5:27:47 PM PST by God is good (Till we meet in the golden city of the New Jerusalem, peace to my brothers and sisters.)
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Actually the supplier of cheap labor actually reduces productivity. Firms are no longer bound by expense to develope innovate methods or technology to increase efficiency. It has been argued that the Roman Empire would have achieved the industrial revolution if it had not been for the slaves.
6 posted on 01/13/2004 5:36:09 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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What happened to all the American jobs that have been allegedly lost in the last few years? Shouldn't we concentrate on getting these so-called unemployed Americans back to work, first?

I'm employed -- in fact, I've never been unemployed. I'm 41-years old and have paid taxes since I was 16. Regardless of that, I don't want to compete with an additional 8 million people in our country's job pool who are willing to work for less.

Anyone who says that these are jobs that Americans won't do is insulting me: I have shoveled sh*t in barns, I have worked on tree farms, I have done landscaping, I have worked at canneries, I've done daily maintenance and janitorial work.

I really fear for my kids' America. I think that the working-class, blue-collar dog like me is reaching a point where something is going to boil over....

Is this really a case of reaping what we have sown? Have we become so spoiled that we really wouldn't go back to these jobs, even if we had to? I know that I would.
12 posted on 01/13/2004 6:22:02 PM PST by baltodog (A diamond lasts a lifetime, but a Freeper post lasts forever....)
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a pool of cheap workers gives farm owners strong incentives to expand the planting of labor-intensive crops rather than invest in mechanized labor-saving equipment and the crops suitable for it...

Exactly. How many human bodies do you see harvesting wheat? Corn? Somehow Kansas et. al. have figured out how to harvest without illegals because they had to. And wheat and corn are CHEAP. For that matter, the cotton that the cheap labor (i.e. slaves) kept low in price is - guess what - still low in price. According to the pro-illegal crowd, it should be expensive.

Not only that, but a huge ever-expanding pool of cheap illegals GUARANTEES wages to remain low. Apparently the libs haven't figured that out yet.

15 posted on 01/13/2004 6:56:59 PM PST by Lizavetta
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