[St.Chuck]

Since I think that your description of what serious national-defence conservatives like Perle and Frum are proposing is delusional, I can't really respond to your comments.

While I respect Perle's intellect and experience, I certainly don't regard Frum as a serious National - defense conservative. He's merely the chief polemicist of the bunch. What's his experience in defense?

What is delusional is "victory or holocaust". Delusional and dangerous.

[Southern Federalist]

I didn't say that Frum was a national defence expert but that he is a conservative serious about national defence. His and Perle's positions are in direct line with conservative anti-communism of the Cold War -- the people who wanted roll-back and victory, not containment or detente. People like Ronald Reagan.

Perle obviously is the expert and Frum the one who can express ideas clearly and directly to a popular audience. A reasonable way to write a book.

As for "victory or holocaust," I would think that the most elementary lesson of the 20th century would be that when people say they want a holocaust they might just mean it. Is your constrasting position something like "Better Red than Dead"?