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Idling car ban gains support on council
Tacoma News Tribune ^ | Jan 13, 2003 | JASON HAGEY

Posted on 01/13/2004 11:27:27 AM PST by microgood

Tacoma police might succeed after all in getting the City Council to expand a crackdown on drivers who leave their cars idling unattended on frosty mornings.

But not in time to help them this winter - and not without some trepidation over a public backlash against the idea.

The City Council will take up a proposed ordinance tonight that would make it a parking infraction to leave a car idling unattended on private property, similar to a rule already on the books that prohibits the practice on public streets.

Last February, police officers hit the streets during one crackdown, handing out warning tickets to drivers who left cars running on public property. Police held off ticketing motorists most of this winter, waiting for the new ordinance to take effect.

A violation could cost anywhere from $50 to $500 depending on past citations. Emergency vehicles would be exempt from the ordinance, as well as cars that are parked behind a fence or secured in some other fashion, such as with a steering wheel lock.

An amendment making the rule effective July 26 is expected to be added to the ordinance during the council meeting, officials said, meaning it won't become an issue until next fall when temperatures start to drop again.

Officials are hoping that's enough time to mount a public education campaign that would cut down on the need to hand out tickets.

"Really, we don't want to go out and ticket vehicles," said Tacoma police Lt. Anthony Abuan.

The idea first came to the City Council in early November but was pulled from the agenda at the last minute so that the council's four-member Public Safety Committee could give it a closer look.

Abuan, armed with statistics showing that 10 percent of all stolen vehicles in Tacoma had been left unattended with their engines running, helped persuade the committee members to bring the idea back before the full council.

Mayor Bill Baarsma said the idea is to give police another tool to help combat car theft, which has become a serious problem in Tacoma. He downplayed the role of tickets.

"The point of the ordinance really is an educational tool," Baarsma said. "I don't see a large number of violations or tickets being written out. I see a lot of warnings."

Councilman Mike Lonergan said that after listening to Abuan's presentation, he is prepared to vote for the ordinance.

"I have great confidence in him as a detective and the department as a whole, and I don't want to tie their hands if they believe this ordinance will help," Lonergan said. "I hope it becomes a matter of voluntary compliance."

Councilwoman Connie Ladenburg also is prepared to vote for the ordinance, but she is concerned that some will view it as an attempt to shift the blame for auto theft onto the victims.

She stressed the importance of a public education campaign to spread the word that it's not smart to leave your car idling unattended, even on private property.

If after six months she doesn't believe an effective campaign has been mounted, Ladenburg said, she might propose revisiting the ordinance and possibly making amendments.

At least one council member has yet to warm up to the idea.

"I'm a no vote," said Tom Stenger, one of three newly elected council members joining the City Council tonight. "I would call it blaming the victim. I don't see why we need to call it a crime or a civil infraction (to leave a car idling on private property ) unless maybe we have a pollution alert."

Stenger said drivers already have a strong enough disincentive for idling their cars in their driveways - the chance that it might be stolen. He doesn't see how the threat of a ticket would do more to discourage the practice.

Jason Hagey: 253-597-8542 jason.hagey@mail.tribnet.com

How to get involved

5 p.m. today: The Tacoma City Council meets in the Council Chambers on the first floor of the Municipal Building, 747 Market St. The council is expected to take public testimony on the idling car ordinance tonight and vote on the ordinance at a later date.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: myhometown; nannystate; tacoma
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Kind of sad the cops are behind this. I guess they feel limited in what they can do since there are no penalties for car theft up here, but blaming the victim is SOP for governments when they fail to do their job.
1 posted on 01/13/2004 11:27:27 AM PST by microgood
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So much for private property, next they'll be issuing tickets if you leave your garage door open.
2 posted on 01/13/2004 11:32:49 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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Abuan, armed with statistics showing that 10 percent of all stolen vehicles in Tacoma had been left unattended with their engines running, helped persuade the committee members to bring the idea back before the full council.

So that means 90% were locked and unattended? This is nothing more than the nanny-state runamuck. You can't legislate intellect.

3 posted on 01/13/2004 11:37:55 AM PST by Snardius
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Councilwoman Connie Ladenburg also is prepared to vote for the ordinance, but she is concerned that some will view it as an attempt to shift the blame for auto theft onto the victims.


No kidding.

You ready to ban bare midriffs, too, because you can't deal with rapists?
4 posted on 01/13/2004 11:41:05 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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What if you want to warm up the car before bringing the baby out into freezing weather? What a stupid law.
5 posted on 01/13/2004 11:42:06 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: microgood
...."The City Council will take up a proposed ordinance tonight that would make it a parking infraction to leave a car idling unattended on private property,"

Private property restrictions = heads up ass. Stalin is obviously still missed by some.
6 posted on 01/13/2004 11:43:09 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: microgood
The City Council will take up a proposed ordinance tonight that would make it a parking infraction to leave a car idling unattended on private property, similar to a rule already on the books that prohibits the practice on public streets.
How can the city dictate what you can do with your stuff on your own property? Whats next Christmas trees must be taken down be Jan 1 or face a penalty?
7 posted on 01/13/2004 11:43:41 AM PST by armyboy (Posting from Sustainer Army Airfield Balad, Iraq. All Gave Some...Some Gave All)
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How can the city dictate what you can do with your stuff on your own property?

This is the same locale (in The Peoples' Soviet of Washington) whose Board of Health banned smoking in restaurants bars and the like.

Whats next Christmas trees must be taken down be Jan 1 or face a penalty?

I would file suit. Christmas doesn't end until the evening of January 5th.

8 posted on 01/13/2004 11:48:37 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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What a stupid law.

Now if they punished car thieves on the very first conviction, not waiting until the 5th or 10th, maybe they would reduce some of the 90% of the stolen cars that weren't idling when stolen.

9 posted on 01/13/2004 11:51:12 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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How can the city dictate what you can do with your stuff on your own property?

No one but government owns property in the US.

'Owning' your home just means you have one less landlord.

The United Arab Emirates explicity forbids land ownership. I admire their honesty.

10 posted on 01/13/2004 11:53:27 AM PST by freeeee (I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it)
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To: microgood
Rush lyrics fit here:

"Those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves"

- "Witch Hunt" from the album Moving Pictures

11 posted on 01/13/2004 11:53:44 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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Perhaps soon to be former Councilman Mike Lonergan said that after listening to Abuan's presentation, he is prepared to vote for the ordinance would be more appropriate.
12 posted on 01/13/2004 11:57:23 AM PST by EGPWS
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Perhaps soon to be former Councilman Mike Lonergan said that after listening to Abuan's presentation, he is prepared to vote for the ordinance would be more appropriate.
13 posted on 01/13/2004 11:57:36 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: freeeee
I second your point. If anyone on this forum thinks they own their land, home, or car, try not paying your property taxes (rent to your landlord), and you'll find out who retains property rights soon enough.
14 posted on 01/13/2004 12:00:57 PM PST by warchild9
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To: Bikers4Bush
So much for private property, next they'll be issuing tickets if you leave your garage door open.

Shhhhh, make them figure it out for themselves!

15 posted on 01/13/2004 12:01:50 PM PST by EGPWS
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Last February, police officers hit the streets during one crackdown, handing out warning tickets to drivers who left cars running on public property.

I wonder if they left their cruisers idling while they wrote these warnings.

16 posted on 01/13/2004 12:05:37 PM PST by Ghengis
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"This is the same locale (in The Peoples' Soviet of Washington) whose Board of Health banned smoking in restaurants bars and the like."

And who allowed a rapist to be promoted to police chief and eventually murder his wife and then kill himself. Tacoma is an absolute mess!
17 posted on 01/13/2004 12:13:48 PM PST by beelzepug ("It'll ooze a bit, 'eads do, ya know.")
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To: microgood
Police held off ticketing motorists most of this winter, waiting for the new ordinance to take effect.

That's nice of them to wait for the law to take effect before issuing tickets.

18 posted on 01/13/2004 12:17:39 PM PST by SWake ("Estrada was savaged by liars and abandoned by cowards." Mark Davis, WBAP, 09/09/2003)
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To: lady lawyer
What if you want to warm up the car before bringing the baby out into freezing weather? What a stupid law.

This has been the law in Germany for years, and it pertains specifically to warming a car up in cold weather.

I think it was passed during the 1970's oil crisis, and then perpetuated by the envirowhackos over there.

THey have it to where you have to have a forestmeister come to your house and give you permission to cut down a tree.

19 posted on 01/13/2004 12:21:52 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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I have a two pronged attack against having to warm my vehicles up on cold days.

1. 2-car Garage

2. Live in Alabama

OH look it is 64 out today :-)

20 posted on 01/13/2004 12:23:36 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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