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To: Hoverbug
....For the first time in our history we have consolidated all border agencies under one roof, to make sure they share information and the work is more effective.

We're matching all visa applicants against an expanded screening list to identify terrorists and criminals and immigration violators.

This month we have become using advanced technology to better record and track aliens who enter our country and to make sure they leave as scheduled.

BUSH: We have deployed new gamma and X-ray systems to scan cargo and containers and shipments at ports of entry to America.

We have significantly expanded the Border Patrol with more than 1,000 new agents on the borders and 40 percent greater funding over the last two years. We're working closely with the Canadian and Mexican governments to increase border security.

America is acting on a basic belief: Our borders should be open to legal travel and honest trade; our borders should be shut and barred tight to criminals, to drug traders, drug traffickers and to criminals and to terrorists.

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Third, we should not give unfair rewards to illegal immigrants in the citizenship process or disadvantage those who came here lawfully or hope to do so.

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..There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties for anyone -- for any employer violating these laws

It's simply a carrot and a stick, it's up to Congress to provide both the carrot and the stick.

Bush's proposal is prudent, and politically feasible solution. It may not be 100% bullet proof, but it certainly will not increase the illegals. And it certainly doesn't desirve the hysterical screams of "Treason" coming from some conservatives.

It sure the hell ain't giving away the farm.

58 posted on 01/13/2004 1:09:46 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
I'm talking about the people who walk across illegally throgh the brush, not the ones who present themselves for inspections.

There are already stiff penalties for hiring illegals.

How many Agents are there for how many miles of border. You go ask any Border Patrol Agent if the border is under contol. Do you know what happens to someone who is arrested for crossing illegally? He's turned loose to try again.

If our borders are secure, how did all these illegals get here in the first place?

Hb

63 posted on 01/13/2004 1:25:02 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: Dead Dog
Lets assume this proposal passed into law

Why does this stop illegal immigration and not encourage it? Would this proposal make new laws saying "NOW illegal immigration is truly illegal"?

Does an illegal immigrant who arrives after this thing would start get to apply for this also, therefore becoming a guest worker too?

Now every single construction company in the U.S has to only pay its workers minimum wage.

Every single munufacturing plant has to only pay its workers minimum wage.

Now after three years the resident worker goes home to Mexico and lives well on his wages while the American worker must adapt to a very poor lifestyle.

In other words there could begin a new class of Americans , the minimum wage worker.

would the government require raises for these people or only for citizen workers?

Does the Mexican government now get to lobby the U.S. government for higher wages for their citizens?

This is the worst idea I have ever heard of because our politicians do not have the balls to fine companys who hire illegals.

65 posted on 01/13/2004 1:30:57 PM PST by normy (As for my people, children are their oppressors and women rule over them. Isaiah 3:12)
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To: Dead Dog
It sure the hell ain't giving away the farm.

Yes it is.

Hb

68 posted on 01/13/2004 1:38:16 PM PST by Hoverbug
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