[Dead Dog]

I think bush might have outsmarted himself with this plan.

On first hearing, my wife and I about had a litter of kittens over it. I saw it as a blatant, and misguided attempt to buy votes.

However, on second review. Registering illegals, making those in the country pay a fee (fine), and giving them 3 years to work before they have to return home (the renewal subject to political approval). The plan really is brilliant. It's not defacto Amnesty, but defacto deportation. If the Gubnant gave 3 year amnesty to gun owners if they would only come forward and get finger printed and recorded..with that amnesty subject to renewal...we would have Travis McGee's CWII starting.

The bottom line is, we have 8 Million illegals in the country, and many parts of our economy rely on them as a means to circumvent minimum wage and payroll taxes. They are a black market labor market with no controls (other than organized crime), they don't pay taxes yet live on the dole, they operate outside of labor laws, and they have defacto amnesty simply by overloading law enforcement.

Bush's plan solves all of the above. The employers will have to pay into Social Security, the worker could be taxed, and we get to track them in our own country. After 3 years, they will have an incentive to return to their country of origin in order get another 3 years legitimate work. They will return at THEIR own expense, not ours through deportation. It gives us, through congress, the tools necessary to combat the problem.

Unfortunately, the conservative base is not seeing this. In that sense, it is a political failure.

[Happy2BMe]

"The bottom line is, we have 8 Million illegals in the country, and many parts of our economy rely on them as a means to circumvent minimum wage and payroll taxes. They are a black market labor market with no controls (other than organized crime), they don't pay taxes yet live on the dole, they operate outside of labor laws, and they have defacto amnesty simply by overloading law enforcement."

A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

[k2blader]

Registering illegals, making those in the country pay a fee (fine), and giving them 3 years to work before they have to return home (the renewal subject to political approval).

Putting aside the facts that illegal immigration is wrong and rewarding illegal immigration is also wrong and encourages more illegal immigration, do you honestly believe the illegals will happily "register", pay fines, and promptly leave the country after 3 years?

The plan is stupid at best.

[Hoverbug]

What in Bush's plan stops the following from happening?:

Illegals here register. They are now legal, and have to be paid at least minimum wage.

A 'new' group of illegal aliens come north, will accept a lower wage than the "guest worker", and is hired instead of the guest worker.

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[Brian Allen]

<< The plan really is brilliant. >>

Yair.

Right on.

Brilliant.

Can't get the criminal-alien invaders to stop coming and/or to leave while it involves the commission of countless felonies to come and to stay.

So we'll reward their past and current felonious criminality with the grant of amnesty -- and out of gratitude for that amnesty they -- and their millions of spawn and extended families -- will all depart after three years or six.

Bloody brilliant, that.

Flew right over the cookoo's nest!

[And, unless he reverses himself, will likely cost President Bush his job]

[mgist]

Unfortunately, the conservative base is not seeing this. In that sense, it is a political failure.

The Bush plan is brilliant, it addresses American interests in numerous ways. Doing nothing is much worse. If Americans are so blinded by xenophobia, we deserve Dean.