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U.S.-Led Group to Test Mortar Shells
Associated Press ^ | Jan 12, 2004 | JAN M. OLSEN

Posted on 01/12/2004 5:45:52 PM PST by optimistically_conservative

COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Danish troops in southern Iraq (news - web sites) sealed off an area Monday where 36 mortar shells thought to contain a liquid blister agent were found, the army said, as they prepared the weapons for another round of tests by U.S.-led experts.

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The Iraqi Survey Group, an American-led group of intelligence analysts, interrogators and translators, will investigate the 120mm mortar shells that Danish troops and Icelandic de-miners uncovered last week near Qurnah, north of the city of Basra, where Denmark's 410 soldiers are based.

The 14-member group is expected to arrive Tuesday morning, the army said.

Preliminary tests on the plastic-wrapped but damaged shells showed they contained a liquid blister agent.

Initial tests by field troops are designed to favor a positive reading, erring on the side of caution to protect soldiers. More sophisticated tests are often necessary.

The Danish and U.S. military believe the shells could be left over from the eight-year war between Iraq and Iran, which ended in 1988.

Speaking in Baghdad, U.S. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the rounds did appear to be blister agents.

"The age of those would indicate that those were probably 10 to 20 years old," he said, adding their location near the border with Iran made it likely they were used in that war.

"So I think we'll probably have some results in the next couple of days confirming it," he said.

"We expect they will start making the tests on Tuesday but I cannot say when the results will be made public," Maj. Kim Gruenberger of the Danish Army Operational Command told The Associated Press. "We hope to get results as soon as possible. A good guess is at the end of week," he said.

Danish troops sealed off the area where the shells were found and handed out fliers to residents warning them to stay away if the shells turn out to hold chemicals.

Adnan Khalifa, an Iraqi who lives near the sealed-off area, told a Danish TV2 reporter in Basra that he helped bury the mortar shells three years ago. "We also dumped some of them in the river," he said.

Some Iraqis have said there are several caches of mortar shells in the area, including a stockpile dumped in the Tigris River that could contain as many as 400 shells, army officials in Denmark said.

"When the engineers have been released from their present finding, they will start investigating the areas which Iraqis have pointed at," the Danish Army Operational Command said.

Before the war, the United States asserted Iraq still had stockpiles of mustard gas, a World War I-era blister agent that is stored in liquid form. The chemical burns skin, eyes and lungs.

U.S. intelligence officials also claimed Iraq had sarin, cyclosarin and VX, which are extremely deadly nerve agents.

In the weeks after the Iraq war, the U.S.-led coalition found several caches that tested positive for mustard gas but later turned out to contain missile fuel or other chemicals.

 

Other discoveries early in the U.S.-led occupation turned out to be old caches that already had been tagged by United Nations (news - web sites) inspectors and were scheduled for destruction.

After the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), all chemical weapons and related materials were to have been reported to U.N. inspectors and then destroyed under their supervision.

During the 1990s, U.N. inspectors uncovered 155 mm artillery shells which contained old but high quality mustard gas like that used by Iraq in its war with Iran.

However, U.N. inspectors had no information that Iraq could outfit mortar shells with mustard gas.

Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime used chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers during the Iran-Iraq war and killed an estimated 5,000 Kurdish civilians in a chemical attack on the northern city of Halabja in 1988.

In October, Dutch marines found several dozen artillery shells dating to the 1991 Gulf War in the southern Iraqi town of Samawah, but the shells contained no biological or chemical agents. Samawah is nearly 100 miles west of the southern region where the Danes discovered shells last week.

In April, U.S. troops found a dozen 55-gallon drums near the northern Iraqi town of Baiji. Preliminary tests found possible evidence of a nerve agent and a blister agent, but later tests found the contents were not chemical weapons.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chemicalweapons; danishtroops; iraqiwmds; samawah; wmd

1 posted on 01/12/2004 5:45:53 PM PST by optimistically_conservative
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To: optimistically_conservative
I think that just to keep this investigation unbiased, we should send Ed Asner, Jenine Garafalo, Babs, Micheal Moore, etc, to witness this first hand.

Since they are so sure that there aren't any WMD's, they should not have any problem witnessing this in an unprotected enviroment, as close to the alledged WMD's as possible.

Heck, I'll even pitch in a few bucks for their plane tickets!
2 posted on 01/12/2004 6:04:13 PM PST by baltodog (A diamond lasts a lifetime, but a Freeper post lasts forever....)
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To: baltodog
I think a good old sniff test should do. Definitely will need all three to sniff the mortars just to be sure.
3 posted on 01/12/2004 6:06:06 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (If you aren't completely satisfied with my post, just send it back within 30 days for a full refund.)
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To: optimistically_conservative
He**, let the two babe's dab a little of the stuff on as perfume or better yet use it as an after bath body rinse and facial cream.
4 posted on 01/12/2004 6:16:28 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: optimistically_conservative
investigate the 120mm mortar shells that Danish troops and Icelandic de-miners uncovered last week near Qurnah, north of the city of Basra, where Denmark's 410 soldiers are based.

That's definitely right next to where the hottest fighting of the Iran-Iraq war was.

"The age of those would indicate that those were probably 10 to 20 years old," he said, adding their location near the border with Iran made it likely they were used in that war.

Someone from the US Army saying they're possibly 20 years old. Wasn't someone ZOTed for claiming they were 15 years old on another thread?

Adnan Khalifa, an Iraqi who lives near the sealed-off area, told a Danish TV2 reporter in Basra that he helped bury the mortar shells three years ago. "We also dumped some of them in the river," he said.

Possibly they were old shells in another location and they were gotten rid of haphazardly by burying.

Also, you don't dump anything you intend to use again in the river.

After the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), all chemical weapons and related materials were to have been reported to U.N. inspectors and then destroyed under their supervision.

This burial is probably a result of sloppyness or laziness rather than maliciousness. Heck, the British can't even keep track of pounds of Plutonium at their reactors; doubtful with all the chemicals they had the Iraqis could keep track of every ounce of blister agent.

5 posted on 01/12/2004 6:32:09 PM PST by John H K
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To: John H K
This burial is probably a result of sloppyness or laziness rather than maliciousness.

If there are hundreds of these mortars at the same location and they were buried recently, then what?

If there are more of these sites in the North and South totalling thousands more bombs, shells and mortars, then what?

6 posted on 01/12/2004 6:38:59 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (If you aren't completely satisfied with my post, just send it back within 30 days for a full refund.)
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To: optimistically_conservative
Good article, thanks for posting it. A few things stand out:

1. Old or new, sloppy or not, Saddam had agreed to declare and destroy under international supervision ALL of his chemical weapons. This is proof positive he did not.

2. Even old weapons are still dangerous. These bombs are reasonably portable. You could easily carry a few in the trunk of a car. They could be used as terrorist weapons, not necessarily by being fired from a mortar, but placed in a convenient spot, wired to some conventional explosive and then detonated. Imagine a few of these going off in a crowded subway in NY or LA. They could also be used as improvised bombs against US troops currently in Iraq.

3. From what the Iraqis themselves are saying, this is just the tip of an iceberg. Before people were saying Saddam had NO WMD's. Last week we knew he has a few. Now the Iraqis say there are hundreds. Who knows what we will find?

4. I may be wrong on this, if so someone let me know, but: if you pack a chemical bomb or shell in a water tight container, like a stainless steel 55 gallon drum or something, why couldn't you hide it under a river bottom as long as you like?
7 posted on 01/12/2004 9:16:46 PM PST by DarthMaulrulesok (Islam is in a clash of civilizations with the West whether we like it or not.)
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To: DarthMaulrulesok
I think you are exactly right on all counts.

Iraq hid proscribed gyroscopes in the (Tigris, IIRC) river for their missile program. If these were buried just 3 years ago, that's not sloppiness/laziness during the Iran/Iraq war. Considering hundreds are reportedly buried in this area, that's not even battlefield expediency during that war 15 years ago.

This definitely points to Saddam's uncooperation and UNSCOM/UNMOVIC's inability to succeed.

This also could be a harbinger of extended bad news for the "Bush lied" crowd as more of these are found. There are 10,000s of these munitions missing that Iraq claimed they unilaterally destroyed but never provided proof.
8 posted on 01/13/2004 5:07:23 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (A couple of guys with boxcutters in Germany posed no imminent threat until Sept. 11 2001)
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Update: COPENHAGEN, Denmark ? Mortar shells found in southern Iraq by the Danish military do not appear to contain chemical weapon agents as originally suspected, Fox News has learned. After a 16-man team from the Iraqi Survey Group (search) was sent to the scene to examine the mortar shells, tests of five of them yielded no traces of chemical agent, a Danish military official told Fox on Wednesday.
9 posted on 01/14/2004 1:29:38 PM PST by myself808
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