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Well, short form: As long as there is political power, and the powerhungry, no matter what voting system we use short of a George Orwellian universe- there will always be the element of shenanigans in voting.
Sad, sick, and horrible.
The only real defense is if honest people on both sides shout down and question anything out of the ordinary and irregular, I.e. violating voting law and such.

Unfortunately, I live in NY state, and some of the people I speak to that ID themselves as 'Democrats' state that they "MUST win through ANY means necessary."
I reminded them of Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed.
The deplorable philosophy of the end justifying the means and such.

*Sighs*
Just keep your eyes open and keep your conscience clear.
So far, I haven't seen any reason to be 'upset' with you.
You've presented this pretty well. (I will be honest, there have been some that posted here specifically to be jerks. But, such is life.)
Thanks for posting.
Will see you around.

I took the time to read some of the posters who you may be referring to. I agree, it was not presented well by some who visited in the past. This issue DEMANDS a non-partisan approach, and that is the manner in which we operate VerifiedVoting.org, and we will offer no less.

I took some time to think about how I wished to approach this, as I sincerely wish the support of those that engage in discussion here, and I DID NOT want to come over here and start a fight. If we fight, and don't win this issue together, then corrupt politics wins the day and we citizens lose.

I completely agree with you, and that is why I am here, that honest people must challenge election violations. We have all seen that, and much greater corruption, and I feel it is time that we make all such criminals accountable - and force all members of our government to comply with the laws that they expect us to observe. Nobody is above the law, and it is time that we all make a stand for what is right. I am sick and tired of corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle.

A good example is that case in Broward County that I referenced. I have no dog in that fight. It was a race between 7 Republicans. The win was by 12 votes, 134 votes were lost (plus a few more because the scanned ballot software failed) and now the county is out of legal compliance since they have no way to conduct the legally mandated recount since the touchscreen systems cannot do that.

So I will emphasize once again, because I'm about to spend the rest of the evening doing some other work, that we need your support. If I have presented my case fairly, if you feel there is grounds on this issue by which we can agree, please come help us. We want you.

How to help? There are action items on the front page of VerifiedVoting.org. We need groups to go see your legislators and DEMAND passage of HR2238 and S1980. We already have bipartisan support, and we need a LOT MORE.

We need groups and organizations to endorse the bills. This list needs to grow significantly before Congress returns to session http://www.verifiedvoting.org/endorsers_s1980.asp By growing that list, in a bipartisan manner, our respective leadership will understand that there is universal concensus and demand for passage of the bills.

If you are in Texas, and can talk to DeLay, please do it right away.

If you are in Ohio, and can talk to Ney, bless your heart. He heads the House Administration Committee, and we need to get HR2239 out of there, onto the House floor, and passed into law.

And if you have ideas to help us, please write to our site so we can speak on the telephone and work together. We are simply a group of concerned citizens, mostly of a technical inclination in terms of our careers (geeks), and we need all the help we can muster.