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Antis' Efforts to Stop Hunting Backed By Multi-Million Dollar Budgets
U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance ^
| Dec 31, 2003
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Posted on 01/12/2004 11:13:11 AM PST by neverdem
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To: missyme
No I never lived on a ranch and of course I have leather what I am trying to say is that hunting for sport serves what purpose? is it like a game of golf? going to a horse race? What purposes does having heads of Deers, Bears, Cougars and Marlins on your wall other than vanity I am sure this is a "Guy" thing but it is a sport that most can live without...
The purpose of hunting is to keep the wildlife populations stable and healthy. For example, in the Yellowstone region the elk population is closely watched because if there are too many elk they destroy their ecosystem. They can tell when there are too many elk in many ways, but one good way is to watch a certain disease they get in their mouth when they eat branches that are too big and devoid of nutrition, signifying not enough food. If left on their own, they would eventually get this disease in large populations. Because man is here, we must manage the size of herds to keep them and their ecosystem healthy, otherwise both suffer. You can do this through hunting, where the state actually makes money which can be used to support these programs, or outlaw hunting and have the state do it at a cost to taxpayers. But is has to be done, one way or another.
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:28:06 PM PST
by
microgood
(They will all die......most of them.)
To: missyme
What is so enjoyable about killing an animal? I can answer that.
The enjoyment is in hunting successfully, not killing per se. To obtain game, one is required to kill the animal. If it can be done perfectly, then the animal dies instantly without pain or fear; this is what a good hunter hopes and tries for.
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:28:12 PM PST
by
Mackey
(Looks like we got about a 100 year supply of Mexicans. We can shut the border now.)
To: GreatEconomy
OK. I see your point. The same reason some of my Gulf War 1 vet friends won't hunt anymore. Fair enough. I wasn't even referring to the economics of trapping. I defend it based on wildlife management. It is defensible and the right thing to do.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying trapping is wrong. I'm just saying the practice comes off quite badly in the feel good media, and I, personally, don't want to kill anything unless it becomes food, or it's self-defense.
By the same token, I have no problem with hunting predators like mountain lions and grizzlies. I just have a personal problem with the method, i.e. trappping. Imagine jumping out of a plane and coming down inside the treeline, with your parachute's canopy entangling with the upper branches, swinging like a helpless fool. It happened to me.
I also trapped raccoons as a teenager in the Catskills. I built a big box trap with a door that dropped when they pulled the bait. I'm glad I did it just for fun and let them go.
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:31:34 PM PST
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: neverdem
I trap coons because they are predators for ground nesting birds. They are clever little critters but a can of sardines will get them in the cage more often than not. They also love fried chicken.
To: rebelyell
"That is not hunting anymore than going to a grocery store and buying salmon filets is going fishing."
My dog thinks I am a great hunter! I leave the house and come back with all kinds of meat, she goes outside and can't find anything to hunt.......
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:51:31 PM PST
by
CSM
(Councilmember Carol Schwartz (R.-at large), my new hero! The Anti anti Smoke Gnatzie!)
To: missyme
"So you beleive that all animals can be consumed?"
Yes. Our culture finds some animals more acceptible for consumption than some animals consumed in other cultures. But, if it is not a disease ridden animal it is acceptable for consumption.
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:53:20 PM PST
by
CSM
(Councilmember Carol Schwartz (R.-at large), my new hero! The Anti anti Smoke Gnatzie!)
To: missyme
So you beleive that all animals can be consumed?Genesis 9:2-3 "...the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." Yes. God says that ALL animal life can be eaten.
BTW, on your profile you identify as a Christan conservative. Are you aware that the whole animal-rights trip (of which the anti-hunting movement is a subset), is rooted in a violently anti-Christian, anti-human worldview? By supporting it, you are unwittingly aiding the enemy.
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:53:29 PM PST
by
Rytwyng
To: missyme
I am sure this is a "Guy" thing but it is a sport that most can live without... Do I detect a bit of anti-male hostility here?
Maybe we should outlaw shopping, and institute strict credit card control... and nobody needs to tear apart mother earth so women can wear shiny rocks on their fingers... maybe clothes shopping and jewelry and perfume and cosmetics and ridiculous credit card debts are "Girl Things" but we could all live without them.
How does it feel when it's the other way around?
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:57:25 PM PST
by
Rytwyng
To: missyme
What is so enjoyable about killing an animal? If you have to ask, you'll never understand.
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posted on
01/12/2004 12:59:12 PM PST
by
Rytwyng
To: missyme
Duck is a very FATTY meat I know people eat duck but it's not the healthiest of meats to eat. Many people having to have triple bypass is because of there heavy meat consumption Animal fats have NO relation to human disease. The coronary and cancer epidemic of the last ~80 years closely tracks the REPLACEMENT of animal fats in the diet with toxic subsitutes such as soybean oil, cottonseed oil, canola oil, etc.
I am in the medical field and nutrition is important.
I am a chemist and I happen to know that the medical field is just plain WRONG about the whole fat question. Here's a good place to start learning the truth: The Oiling of America
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:05:41 PM PST
by
Rytwyng
To: metesky
LOL
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:13:10 PM PST
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: missyme
Sport hunting of any kind should be banned there is no reason for it none... Reasons - Food, controlling the size of herds (ever wonder why Connecticut has problems with Lyme Disease?), Maintaining a skill set in the event of disaster.
Some animals that are for eating should be put down very humanely, and animal research is not needed for the most part but if it is it should not have the animal suffering.
Sorry, I work in Biotech and animal testing is needed.
Animals for coats and shoes are barbaric there are plenty of beautiful synthetic or wool coasts Mink is just a status symbol.
There are plenty of leftover cows skins, once McDonalds gets what they want. Why not make shoes?
Fishing for fish well that is hard, I guess fishing is okay but not Marlin, Dolphin, Whale, Seal.
I've caught and eaten plenty of Dolphin, not sure what your attraction is to a dumb fish.
BTW, whales are not fish.
Shooting birds when there flying in the air also should be banned no need for it...
It's more sporting than shooting them on the ground.
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:15:20 PM PST
by
TC Rider
(The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
To: missyme
Those 10,000 civets was gonna be dinner,instead they will just be dead,they was gonna die anyway. The trophies you see on the wall of deer etc is nothing but skin and plaster,chances are the meat was put in the freezer. The fish you see on the wall is probably plastic. After the catch they take a picture, record length and weight and they have a plastic one made the same size. The only hunting for sport is usually varmints that eat livestock or crops, so that's more of necessity than sport.I don't know any fisherman that catch fish that don't eat them.Sounds like your reciting what Peta or some other liberal has preached, don't buy into that.
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:18:30 PM PST
by
eastforker
(The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
To: B4Ranch
Heres an idea to get rid of these idiots for good.
All hunters stop hunting for a couple years.
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:18:45 PM PST
by
philetus
(Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
To: missyme
To: Rytwyng
Maybe we should outlaw shopping, and institute strict credit card control... and nobody needs to tear apart mother earth so women can wear shiny rocks on their fingers... maybe clothes shopping and jewelry and perfume and cosmetics and ridiculous credit card debts are "Girl Things" but we could all live without them. LOL, don't be cruel!
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:23:04 PM PST
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: TC Rider
Shooting birds when there flying in the air also should be banned no need for it...
It's more sporting than shooting them on the ground.
Shooting game birds on the ground is also highly illegal!
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:32:28 PM PST
by
Mackey
(Looks like we got about a 100 year supply of Mexicans. We can shut the border now.)
To: philetus
Heres an idea to get rid of these idiots for good. All hunters stop hunting for a couple years. That's been tried. Eastern deer herds are overbreeding and overrunning the suburbs, and the suburban soccer moms who "hate hunting" (read: hate men) are complaining because the deer are eating their garden flowers.
Worse yet, here in California, the ban on cougar hunting has caused the cougar population to expand and *lose its fear of man*. People are getting killed eaten as a result.
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:35:03 PM PST
by
Rytwyng
To: philetus
Good idea. Five years of no hunting is all it would take. Geese, ducks, pheasants, deer, coons, coyotes, bears, wild dogs, wolves would repopulate to a point where all these 'lovers' would become haters. Oh Yeah, they're cute when they're no threat to you or you property.
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:36:01 PM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
To: neverdem
Let's not eat each other over what is good hunting and what is bad hunting (trapping).
This issue is about control of humans, it has NOTHING to do with hunting or the alleged rights of animals. It has everything to do with controlling you, your freedom and your life.
Don't be a guppy and fall into the trap. Call them what they are, expose them and then grind them into the dirt.
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posted on
01/12/2004 1:40:22 PM PST
by
Leatherneck_MT
(Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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