Milosevic was right: JIHADIST HOTBED IN THE BALKANS: THE TRUTH IS OUT

Chronicles ^ | January 10, 2004 | Srdja Trifkovic

[NYC Republican]

So I guess you think we should get our news about 911 from Al Jazeera?

I didn't realize that the only sources we had at our disposal were 2 liars- the Bosnian Serb spokesman or Al-Jazeera... hmmm..somehow, I prefer Fox, Wash Times, Rush for my news. No thanks.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

Thank you, Klintoon/Clark.

[Kenny Bunk]

Ping-o.

A great post and another blinding glimpse of the obvious for the unsophisticated who consider all religious disputes some sort of cross-town debate between Methodists and Presbyterians, after the interfaith breakfast in the Catholic Church basement.

[GeraldP]

You are wrong! There were a number of former and current Orthodox Albanian Army officers who went to fight for the KLA. This goes to support what the guys in this thread who have a clue have been saying:"This was clearly a nationalistic conflict, having nothing to do with religion or jihad".

Christians in Albania proper and the wider "ethnic Albania" are separated geographically into Orthodox in the south and Catholic in the north. The reasons for this are historical, dating back to the Great Schism.

Albanian Orthodox Christians would not be excommunicated for fighting in the KLA. The Albanian Orthodox Church proclaimed autocephaly in 1922, fact recognized by the Patriarch of Constantinople in 1937. (Look up Fan S. Noli, Orthodox bishop, Albanian patriot, and one of modern Albania's most revered historical figures).

[greenwolf]

Here is what the Serbian Orthodox Church leaders have to say about your hero:

That's not quite right. Better would be:

Here's what a few of the Serbian Orthodox Church leaders have been paid to say about your hero, and were a$$#oles enough to take the money:

"But I'm afraid that no Christian can support the values that the Milosevic regime supports. That person cannot be a Christian." -- Father Sava, aide to Artemije, commenting on the Church's failure to firmly oppose Milosevic until recently.

You mean it was unchristian of Milosevic to try to destroy Albanian society in a Serbian province by outlawing murder, rape, arson, narcotic trafficing, trafficking in women, poisoning wells, and all of the other normal Albanian cultural practices?

I mean somehow or other, all of the people of Serbia who just returned Milosevic's party to power despite every sceme and all the power of the new world orderers and NATO don't seem to agree with your premise, do they?

By the way, Here's one of the new little Serbian cars which you'll shortly be seeing in the United States. In fact signs are that there will soon be enough money in Serbia that priests won't have to prostitute themselves to NATO wonks anymore.

What about Albanians? Do Albanians manufacture cars or anything like that? Can you show me a picture of an Albanian car (I mean one that they MANUFACTURED, not one that they stole)?

Better yet, have Albanians domesticated the horse yet? What about the dog??

[FormerLib]

You are wrong! There were a number of former and current Orthodox Albanian Army officers who went to fight for the KLA.

Ok, name them and supply links verifying that they were Albanian Orthodox supporting the KLA narco-terrorists.

[FormerLib]

You are wrong! There were a number of former and current Orthodox Albanian Army officers who went to fight for the KLA.

Ok, name them and supply links verifying that they were Albanian Orthodox supporting the KLA narco-terrorists.

[FormerLib]

I was pointing out that there are few voices daring to tell the truth about what has been inflicted on the Serbs by the likes of Clinton and Clark. I see you are sticking with ad hominem attacks but I'll will stay with finding out what it true and what is not.

Currently, the body of evidence proving that al-Qaeda was involved in Bosnia and Kosovo (and that they are still receiving aid from both places) continues to grow. Remain ignorant of the facts at your own peril.

[FormerLib]

My only embedded interest is seeing that you Milosevic-apologists are exposed for your disgraceful lying tactics.

And if you think that I'm a Milosevic-apologist then you are completely out of touch with reality!

[auboy]

BTTT

[Aquinasfan]

90% of the armed conflicts in the world are taking place around the perimeter of the Mohammedan world, from Africa (Nigeria, Sudan, Chad, the horn) to the Middle East to Europe (the Balkans) to southern asia (Russia, India/Pakistan, Afghanistan) to southeast Asia (Thailand, the Philippines, East Timor). Connect the dots.

[Lion in Winter]

Interpol has a list of wanted Albanian drug dealers and white slavers some 20 pages long. I read about that in a Bristish newspaper when I was there last Spring. To say the least I was not at all surprised. Britian has had much criminal trouble with Albanian "refugees" from Kosovo.

My nephew has some unpleasant things to say about Albanians in Kosovo. While he has been at Camp Bondsteel he has received quite an education about their violent ways. He wrote that recently a huge crowd of Albanian terrorists attacked a bus load of religious pilgrims who were going to a Monastery near the capitol city. He said this was "DISGRACEFUL"!! And the UN just acts like: " WELL, that is just OK with us!" His words.

I hate commies... fought those bastrds real hard in Korea... so I am not a fan of milosovic since he is a committed commie. However, I am no fan of muslim terrorists either... Albanian or Middle Eastern. The death penalty is too good for any terrorist.

[FormerLib]

I'm no fan of Milosevic either! Up until the time that he attempted to use the Serbian Orthodox Church as something to rally the nationalists around, he'd spent years persecuting the Church. I'm very glad that the Church officially called for his removal.

Anyway, I do have to laugh when someone calls me a "Milosevic apologist" as it speaks volumes about their ignorance.

[NYC Republican]

Remain ignorant of the facts at your own peril.

Ignorant, I hate to disappoint you but I'm far from it...

For the record, here are my views on the whole conflict...

* The Serbs had a right to control the area, but should have granted Kosovo the autonomy they had for several years before Milosevic stripped it away, essentially leaving the Albanians powerless and voiceless, whereas other pre-Yugoslavia breakup allowed nearly every other minority group with far greater human rights

* Milosevic overplayed his hand by stripping them of all basic rights under the guise of nationalism, and after seeing the brutality he unleashed in Croatia and Bosnia, the Albanians were more than justified in not wanting to be alone with the Serbs in full command. The war, in my opinion, was more than just.

* The Albanians are less religious than nearly any other European country- some of these posters, and the author, are trying to be opportunistic and ride the current anti-Isl wave, pretending that the Serb atrocities never occurred, and trying to paint Albanians and Bosnians as Islamofacists, which is a blatant lie.

* The behavior of the Kosovars since their "liberation" has been disgraceful. Even though there is a strong element of revenge in burning the Churches, there were far more mosques burned down by the Serbs. In addition, none of the Albanian Churches have been touched. See, it's an ethnic issue, not a religious issue. Never was... But you knew that, didn't you? Regardless, ethnic cleansing is just as reprehensible coming from the Albanians as it is coming from the Serbs

* The only way to have peace in the region is to carve up Kosovo- give the northern portion to the Serbs, the rest to the Albanians. Conditional - the condition being that the crime, which is rampant, is reduced significantly. It's a total disgrace and a slap in the face of Klinton and Weasel Clark, who helped liberate them

* I admire and respect the overtures and moves made by the current leadership structure in Serbia. They realize that the most important thing for all is a peaceful environment, which is conduscive to an economic resurgence. Nationalism got them no where, and would further deterorate the wonderful countries in the region -Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, and the whole area is wonderful.

* There are few other living people that I despise more than Slobo, the Klintons, and Clark.

[henbane]

Placing the Kosovo conflict in the context of jihad reflects a profound misunderstanding of the situation. The issue in Kosovo is Albanian versus Serbs, not Muslim versus Christian

Please check your own understanding of the jihadist incursion into the Balkans under the umbrella of Clinton's misguided friendship with the Muslim-oriented KLA.

In your zeal to become an apologist for the criminal actions of the Albanians in the Kosovo conflict, you have allowed your mind to close shut on bald historical facts laid out on the table of history.

Here are just a few pieces of the puzzle that may help you out of your quandry--from an article in the European Wall Street Journal by Marcia Christoff Kurop .

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"For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-trading networks throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. This has gone on for a decade. Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part . . . .

By 1994, major Balkan terrorist training camps included Zenica, and Malisevo and Mitrovica in Kosovo. Elaborate command-and-control centers were further established in Croatia, and Tetovo, Macedonia as well as around Sofia, Bulgaria, according to the U.S. Congress´s task force on terrorism. In Albania, the main training camp included even the property of former Albanian premier Sali Berisha in Tropje, Albania, who was then very close to the Kosovo Liberation Army. ....

By early 1998 the U.S. had already entered into its controversial relationship with the KLA to help fight off Serbian oppression of that province. While in February the U.S. gave into KLA demands to remove it from the State Department´s terrorism list, the gesture amounted to little. That summer the CIA and CIA-modernized Albanian intelligence (SHIK) were engaged in one of the largest seizures of Islamic Jihad cells operating in Kosovo.

Fearing terrorist reprisal from al Qaeda, the U.S. temporarily closed its embassy in Tirana and a trip to Albania by then Defense Secretary William Cohen was canceled out of fear of an assassination attempt. Meanwhile, Albanian separatism in Kosovo and Metohija was formally characterized as a "jihad" in October 1998 at an annual international Islamic conference in Pakistan. Nonetheless, the 25,000 strong KLA continued to receive official NATO/U.S. arms and training support and, at the talks in Rambouillet, France,then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright shook hands with "freedom fighter" Hashim Thaci, a KLA leader. As this was taking place, Europol (the European Police Organization based in The Hague) was preparing a scathing report on the connection between the KLA and international drug gangs. Even Robert Gelbard, America´s special envoy to Bosnia, officially described the KLA as Islamic terrorists.

With the future status of Kosovo still in question, the only real development that may be said to be taking place there is the rise of Wahhabi Islam -- the puritanical Saudi variety favored by bin Laden -- and the fastest growing variety of Islam in the Balkans. Today, in general, the Balkans are left without the money, political resources, or institutional strength to fight a war on terrorism. And that, for the Balkan Islamists, is a God[Allah]send."

Al Qaeda´s Balkan Links

[FormerLib]

Even though there is a strong element of revenge in burning the Churches, there were far more mosques burned down by the Serbs.

This is something that gets repeated very often in these discussions and I believe it is important to remind folks that mosques in that part of the world are built on top of destroyed churches. That's just the way the Ottoman Turks (a fun-loving bunch that you'd really want to move into your neighborhood) did things. The shame is that the brutality of the Turks now lives on in some of the peoples that were once their former victims. One should never honor one's brutalizier by taking on their behaviors.

By the way, I do not believe for a second that more mosques were destroyed than churches have been.

[DTA]

>>>>...the American Association for the Advancement of Science in its report Policy or Panic on killings and refugee flow in Kosovo concluded that only a small fraction of Kosovar Albanians fled Kosovo as a direct result of NATO bombing raids. It also concludes that "the mass exodus of refugees from Kosovo occurred in patterns so regular that they must have been coordinated...<<<<

Mark, you really like funny documents.Perhaps you think it sounds authoritative so no one will bother to read.

That's good bluff, but transparent.

Back to this one made by 'scientist" Patrick Ball. (He is not a statistician, his field of expertise are humanities)

Anyone with the basic knowledge of statistics will notice the numbers in the table on page 61 of the Appendix A of the document show peculiar patterns. They are too perfect.

For example, in the period from April 5 to April 12 arrivals in Albania are 7813, 7812, 7813,7812, 7813, 7812, 7813,7812.

Similar strings appear for other countries as well. They were trimmed to provide the required conclusion.

To achieve such regularity, Serbs would have to predict how many people will die from a natural cause and send the exact number as extras a day or two earlier.

Chi2 can get the error easily.

I have read Patrick Ball's document when it came out, as well as when "scientist" Ball was called as an 'expert witness" to the Kangaroo Court in The Hague. (he was not able to show on the map where Morina border crossing is).

His "Scientific" report has been debunked already, here on FR as well elsewhere.

Having in mind that Human Rigts Watch and other Soros shills as well as Albanian Security Service were behind this project, it is no wonder.

Mark, NATO and Albanian lies about Kosovo are being debunked one by one.

Your mushrooming will not change that.

[D Rider]

Truth is, you know nothing about either the history or the reality of the Balkans. Back when we were bombing Serbia I wrote about it in this forum. If my old posts are still online, you'll find that I was correct all along. Let me just add this, Wus Clark is the one that should be tried for criminal behavior for his actions in the Balkans. We bombed the wrong people, we should have bombed Albania. Instead we just finished what the Nazi's were unable to finish. Why? For our Franco/German allies. The whole thing makes me sick.

If you don't understand. For starters, you can ask yourself why Israel was the only country defending the Serbs.

[joan]

He wrote that recently a huge crowd of Albanian terrorists attacked a bus load of religious pilgrims who were going to a Monastery near the capitol city. He said this was "DISGRACEFUL"!! And the UN just acts like: " WELL, that is just OK with us!" His words.

I posted about that bus stoning with Russians on board: Bus stoned in Kosovo

Reports said that the Albanians numbered around 300, and that these mobs were already gathered to menacingly meet the Russians on their stops. The UN could have given the Albanians the itinerary. What is your nephew's estimate of the crowd? The Albanian and UN press tried to minimize it using numbers like 30 or 3, but Russians filmed the scene and showed it on their TV as proof of the large numbers.

The Russians' personal experience with the hate-filled ethnic Albanians has caused them to be sympathetic to the Serbs. That's probably why they've decided to do more for the Serbs living there because it's those same representatives who were stoned by ethnic Albanians who are pledging help: RUSSIANS TO ASSIST SERBIAN MINORITY IN KOSOVO

[D Rider]

You obviously like the former Croatian leader Trudjman, the US ally at the time of our bombing Serbia. Of course, he did start renaming athe major strrets in croatia to honor Croatia's WWII war dead. Croatia's NAZI war heroes!

You probably approve of the method that the Serbs were made a minority population in Kosovo, too... in Ustache death camps. All one has to do is to examine the minority populations of the countries that make up the Balkans to know who are the tolerant people of the Balkans. You don't even need to know any history. But if you did, the answer would be even more clear.