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To: liberallarry
Big WHOOP. So La Raza extremists demand the unreasonable and are not satisfied until the concept of citizenship is ERASED and are unhappy even with this huge pander to immigrants and Mexico ... We

"Por eso el Consejo Nacional de La Raza, una organización mexicoamericana que lucha por la defensa de los trabajadores latinos en Estados Unidos, calificó ese mismo día la propuesta de Bush como una “promesa vacía” y describió el “timing” del anuncio como una “estrategia de año electoral después de dos años de silencio” sobre las condiciones de explotación que padecen los indocumentados."

You'll need to help me with my Spanish - where in these links did the extremists who want open borders amensty and no enforcement of law suggest violence against USA to achieve the obliteration of our borders? And if they did threated violence, why are YOU intimidated from doing the right thing by it?

As for 'head in the sand' it is better description of those who pretend there is no downside to non-enforcement or that non-enforcement of immigration is somehow "safer" than alternatives. ... Here is the truth - THE VIOLENCE AND LAWLESSNESS IS HAPPENING NOW as a result of our non-enforcement of law:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056310/posts

• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

146 posted on 01/13/2004 3:56:31 PM PST by WOSG (I dont want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: WOSG
Loosely but accurately

"This is the advice of La Raza, a Mexican-American organization which fights in defense of latin workers of the United States, which this day characterizes Bush's proposal as an 'empty promise' and describes the 'timing' as an electoral year strategy since in the previous two years there was nothing but silence on the conditions of exploitation suffered by the undocumented."

It's not whether you or I believe La Raza is "extremist".
It's how Mexicans and Mexican-Americans feel about them.
El Diario is mainstream in their community.

And you're again missing the point when you cite statistics proving a connection between illegals and crime.
And you're being silly if you think La Raza has to call for violence whenever they oppose government policies.
And you're pointing to a strawman when you characterize me as "intimidated".

I've been trying to guage the possible outcomes of a serious attempt at deportation of illegals and border control.
I contend there's a great deal of opposition to such policies in the Mexican and Mexican-American communities.
As evidence I cited articles in the principal mainstream paper in Mexican-American Los Angeles which clearly show a deep split in viewpoints.
Unless you believe - and can show - that El Diario is printing unrepresentative, provacative garbage I stand by my positions.

147 posted on 01/13/2004 4:25:50 PM PST by liberallarry
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