[Jim Cane]

On the other hand, if we adopt a harsh, military approach your assumption will be correct and we will have to do just what you propose.

By failing to enact a harsh defense, we will have civil war nevertheless - just a little bit later, and not on our terms.

[liberallarry]

By failing to enact a harsh defense, we will have civil war nevertheless - just a little bit later, and not on our terms.

You could be right. That's what we're debating.