[carpio]

I know plenty of addicts who went to prison and/or jail and emerged to use within hours of their release. I know many addicts who used the day before a piss test. None of these things are guarenteed 'bottoms'.

I know these same people from my many years in AA. It is a difficult thing to understand. I had one close friend who did 12 years of a 25 year murder sentence in Texas. He got out on supervised parole with ankle bracelet electronic surveliance and weekly Pee tests. He could not stay clean even with going back to Huntsville for the balance of his sentence a sure result of dirty Pee tests. He is now back there doing the rest of the 25 year sentence. When all he had to do to be free was to be clean. This is totally incomprehensible to people who have never "Been There." No use trying to explain it.

[Lazamataz]

I know these same people from my many years in AA. It is a difficult thing to understand. [horrible situation snipped] This is totally incomprehensible to people who have never "Been There." No use trying to explain it.

I agree. And those who have never been there, who insist on trumpeting their ignorance so loudly, well.... I correct them for lurkers, only. I know full well that willful ignorance cannot be cured.