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To: merry10
<<< Blah, blah blah. >>>

An incredibly clever and intellectual response! Is your logic always this stunning or is this just your unbelievably mature and exceptional rhetoric?


<<< Whether you like it or not, today's military is much different than the one you were in. >>>

Last I checked, the Uniform Code of Military Justice has not changed. Last I checked, the principles of leadership that involve integrity and leadership by example have not changed. Last I checked, the concept of honor has not changed. Oh, by the way, I haven’t been out that long and my son, my nephew and my sister are still serving so I think I have pretty good idea of what “today’s military” is like, in any case.

<<< These men didn't come out of the closet until way after they served. While they were in, they acted honorably. >>>

I suggest you look up the definition of “honor,” in particular, the part of that concept about keeping sworn oaths and following lawful orders. That oath, that I mistakenly thought you had taken, specifies supporting and defending the Constitution. That very document gives Congress the power to regulate the armed forces of this county. The Congress has done so through the UCMJ which constitutes “standing orders” to all military personnel. These men might “have stayed in the closet,” their own words imply that they did not stay celibate as far as homosexual activity is concerned. Therefore, they did lied in swearing to uphold the Constitution, and they intentionally failed to follow “standing orders.” Exactly what part of that do you think is “honorable?”

<<< Yep, maybe I am uneducated about the Bible, but guess what...I don't care. >>>

Being proud of intentional ignorance says more about you and your values than any critic possibly could.

<<< Maybe it would do you well to go and meet these gay men who served HONORABLY in our nation's service and open your eyes >>>

I suggest you cure your ignorance of the word “honorably” in order to speak intelligently on the subject. Additionally, for your information, I have been in the very unpleasant position of being forced to administer discipline for violations of Article 125 of the UCMJ. I have met some of these people to whom you refer and, indeed, my “eyes were opened.” Any doubts in my mind about the lack of honor among “these people” was completely removed by the experience.

Can you offer an intelligent response or are you restricted to “Blah, blah, blah?”
191 posted on 01/20/2004 5:31:31 AM PST by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog
Listen my dear, I am not going to continue this. If you wish to engage in a conversation, take it up with me privately (nobody else seems to care too much about this anyway). I respect that you served in our military, and if you were in Iraq or Afganistan right now, I'd be supporting you - gay or straight. Tell me, who would you trust more - a man who commited bigamy, had three wives and a bunch of kids all over the states, or a gay man who keeps to himself and serves his country well but has your back every time?

Unless you personally KNOW any gay service members, I dont' think you yourself can intelligently speak of them. If they are not screwing in the combat information center, then why would you care what they are up to sexually?

192 posted on 01/20/2004 2:20:25 PM PST by merry10
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