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To: Lucky Dog
excuse me that was, thanking god - as in the universal sense.

Who do you think you are criticizing me? I work for the armed forces, and none of the men or women with whom I work give a rat's behind if the person working alongside them is black, white, gay or straight. The key words are "with whom I work". The military I work with just want everyone to do their job and protect the country. The gay men this article refers to would not have made it as far as they did if they compromised any of our government's secretsm, so you argument is bunk. You know it, I know it and the GODS know it! Because I do not subscribe to the teachings of the Bible, or to various religious groups interpretation of it - meaning they twist it and spin it to suit their purpose and agenda, does not mean that I am not as intelligent as you.

185 posted on 01/19/2004 5:07:06 PM PST by merry10
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To: merry10
<<< Who do you think you are criticizing me? >>>

Indeed, I have served honorably in the Armed Forces of my country for more than a quarter century, through two wars and eight years of overseas postings, commanded men and women in a combat zone and personally buried a number of my friends who died in the service of their country. Beyond my service, I am a fully enfranchised, voting American citizen and I believe that qualifies me to criticize whomever I please, including you.

<<< …none of the men or women with whom I work give a rat's behind if the person working alongside them is black, white, gay or straight. >>>

If you and none of the people you work with care if the person with you is homosexual, I suggest you read Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). You will find that it is illegal to be engaging in homosexual acts while you are a serving member of the Armed Forces. Further, if you have direct knowledge of a crime under the UCMJ and you fail to bring it to the attention of your superiors, then you become an accessory after the fact and are personally subject to discipline under the UCMJ as well.

<<< The gay men this article refers to would not have made it as far as they did if they compromised any of our government's secrets, so you argument is bunk. >>>

As for the “gay men in this article,” they violated the UCMJ and, just as I said, created a potential blackmail situation. I don’t care how “far they made it” they still dishonored themselves and created a potential security hazard. Additionally, it appears from your statement that your ignorance of history is hurting you. I suggest you read about someone named Alger Hiss and something called the “Verona Project.” You might find that no matter “how far” someone makes it, they can still damage their country through compromising intelligence.

<<< Because I do not subscribe to the teachings of the Bible, or to various religious groups interpretation of it - meaning they twist it and spin it to suit their purpose and agenda, does not mean that I am not as intelligent as you. >>>

I did not criticize you for being less “intelligent” than me or anyone else. I said you were uneducated. There is a tremendous difference. A lack of education and is a curable condition, lack of intelligence is not. I suspect that you are very intelligent. You have it within your power to educate yourself. It is a matter of choice.

In your earlier post, you said that you did not read the Bible. That statement indicates an ignorance of what is contained in that book. In your most recent post, you stated that you “do not subscribe to the teachings of the Bible.” One statement “begs” the other. It is obvious that you cannot “subscribe to teachings of which you are unaware.” You further accuse “various religious groups” of “twisting” the Bible to suit their “purpose and agenda.” If you do not read it, how do you know they are twisting it? Further, if it is the “twisting” to which you are objecting, then it is not the Bible’s teachings. Perhaps, it is what you perceive as hypocrisy that causes you to object. However, once again, if you do not know what the Bible teaches, how can you identify such hypocrisy?

You would do well to rely on the wisdom of our Founding Fathers expressed in our Declaration of Independence. In that document our founders assert that we are endowed by our “Creator” with certain inalienable rights. That “Creator” to which they refer is the God of the Bible. If you have any doubt, then call up the speeches of George Washington or John Adams from Internet sources and read a few.

By the way, you swore an oath to the Constitution. You would do well to read it and all of the documents which lead to the founding of our country such as the Declaration, the Federalist Papers, the Mayflower Compact and the Bible among others. Your service to our nation is appreciated but it would be improved with education.
187 posted on 01/19/2004 7:13:19 PM PST by Lucky Dog
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