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"My main problem with that measure is that I feel even the Valley city is too unwieldy. I think each individual label (Woodland Hills, North Hills, etc) should be a city of its own. Only that way can we have government even close to being responsive."

That may be part of the answer of why Orange County fares better than most of LA County (which is stuck with the one huge city, and the normal problems of inner city, demographics, etc.).

Santa Ana has about the highest Hispanic percent, of any major city in the US. But as bad as it is, their crime rate is probably below major old eastern/mid-west cities.

So the answer isn't just demographics. Southern California has some interesting old and newer areas.

When OC went bankrupt, the voters wisely turned down sales tax increase, which was supported by the dems as well as the "New Majority" republicans-read moderates/builders/etc.

The bus system in run by the county. The county does contract police/fire for some incorporated towns, and for all remining unincorporated areas. Most of South OC remained unincorporated for years-only recently becoming separate cities (Dana Point, Mission Viejo, etc.

With the state continuing to steal property tax money from local government, cities are run pretty tight. Directionally, I disagree with Arnold taking still more of that money.

Happy home ownership - the American dream. Can't beat our weather. Bad as it can be, we have pretty good highways.

San Diego is a little like LA, wherein La Jolla is part of San Diego City. IOW a big city, with better sections. I'd say Woodland Hills is a better section of LA, too.

Happy home ownership - the American dream. Can't beat our weather. Bad as it can be, we have pretty good highways.

You bet. I hear it was like -8 degrees in some areas back east this week, and expecting more to come.

Today in Southern California it was 74 degrees, with a sleepy pacific breeze, and unlimited visibility, in January!

It doesn't get any better.

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