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I understand your post better now, you didn't smuggle illegals you hired them. And you are right, you are not allowed to ask if they are illegal and have no real way of checking their papers, even if you suspect they are illegals.

The business's you have been in are teeming with them, but I take exception to your view, and I have seen other's repeat it often, about the laziness of the American worker.
I have had no such experience in my hiring of employee's in fact the opposite is true, I have hired minorities because they are minorities and able to do the job, and I have had to let them go because they were either not honest, or were interested in a salary but not interested in work or attendence.

That is not a blanket condemnation of all minority employees any more than your feelings about American workers is a blanket condemnation of all American workers it is our personal experiences with the matter. And they are 180 but there ya have it.

What does bother me, and it is not just you, it is also the attitude of my fellow countrymen that may also have not sat down and thought it out. I'm always astounded to find that I am the odd man out as usual on things that I just assume are elementry Watson, but find that I am holding yet again a minority opinion, so I have alot of experience with being a minority.

We live in a disposable society, use it toss it, to be replaced by a never ending supply of new and improved later.
Growing up in a small town on a small farm I have always felt a primal connection to this land called the USofA. My dad was big on the history of our family, my great, greats, were so alive to me that they may just have well been sitting in the next room.

But they were not, I listened as my Dad told me how they fought and died for this land I am so connected to and to those brothers who along with myself make up the decendents of this nation. I learned about integrity, fair play, justice, right and wrong, loyalty, oaths, and friendship and my Dad was very animated in the telling. I never lost interest or tuned out.

Another freeper Luis had an article on his personal page about the connection he felt to Cuba when he flew over it. The land reached into the plane to pull him. Your family came in under the fence, but with every intention of becoming Americans as fast as they could. But you have to ask yourself this, and this is the reason so many want no immigration or very limited immigration, with who do your loyalties lie? How much responsibility, loyalty, or gratitude do you have for your fellow countrymen and those who will eventually make this their home?

You hired people you suspected were illegal, fine good people, hard working, deserving, and you financed them and helped them prosper in their own business's. But do they vote carlo? And how do they vote carlo? Because as a native American, whose legal home this is, who holds title to it by the blood of my decendents, and who has the right to be left alone in my home, without home invasion, to determine who to, and not to, be charitable and welcoming to, I don't really care if they have halo's above their heads and wings sprouting out of their backs, are they voting my nation away? Are they voting their bellies? Are they voting in ways that puts pressure on the government to forgive illegals and insure more?

Because freedom is not free, carlo, and many have forgotten that fact. The Constitution is not free, it has cost vast amounts of American blood to insure. That makes native born and immigrant, responsible to preserve it. Squander it and it's only won back at the cost of vast amounts of blood and sacrifice, and then winning it is a long shot, and yet our politicians are eagerly throwing it away with both hands. What we have today is not immigration, it's Balkinization.

What we have today is not a democratic republic, what it is becoming, with each Balkinized immigrant vote, is a socialist totalitarian nightmare, and to boot all nations that have tried socialism fall. Usually to hordes of immigrants voting their bellies. In 1986 Reagan granted amnesty to three million illegals, that was three million new votes up for grabs and the demonrats wanted them, so they pandered open borders and the promised future arrival of more of their brothers and sisters as the carrot.

Where do their loyalties lay? Not with me. But why should it? My own governments loyalties don't lay with me either. If I feel a loyalty and responsibility to, if I with to insure the good of my own countrymen, then I am a nativist and a racist, when illegals do the same by wrangling more in, they are the noble needy.

What is the ultimate outcome of all this? Slave wages and a third world lifestyle for everyone, and friend, I'm just not slave material. What is the ultimate outcome? The end of the land of the free, the end of the last place to flee to, as we are put under the rule of international law. And friend, I will be ruled by no law but the Constitution of the USofA.

I feel a responsibility, no, I have a responsibility to, not only my fellow countrymen, and my own family, but those who will come, not to allow that happen just because someone is good, sweet, deserving, and a useful tool of the enemy, and so do you.

But do they vote Carlo? And how do they vote Carlo?

Thank you for asking, my employees were fine respectable people with close families. I doubt it, but truly cannot recall if they voted or not before the became US citizens in 1986, I know they voted for Reagan in his bid for reelection. Because we told them it was this President that allowed them to have this opportunity.. :)

Because freedom is not free, carlo, and many have forgotten that fact. The Constitution is not free, it has cost vast amounts of American blood to insure. That makes native born and immigrant, responsible to preserve it. Squander it and it's only won back at the cost of vast amounts of blood and sacrifice, and then winning it is a long shot, and yet our politicians are eagerly throwing it away with both hands.

WE do indeed have an obligation to protect this great country and we should do everything to preserve the integrity of our constitution..

I have, with the best of my mind and body, served my country both on the field of battle, as well as a good neighbor, as I am sure you have as well.. Thank you so very much for your commitment to your fellow countrymen.. :)