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To: carlo3b
I really don't care about your personal anecdotal experiences. I have no way of verifying them, and even if I could, they are not germain to the argument of what is best for this country. They are your personal experiences as filtered through your unique perspective of the world -- save them for your autobiography, a soap opera episode, or therapy sessions.

Although you seem to have a marked aversion for facts, here's another one you can ignore: Emma Lazarus was a Socialist.

245 posted on 01/12/2004 1:21:56 PM PST by browardchad
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To: browardchad
Geeeeze hahahahah .. Emma Lazarus again... I'm winning this fight.. BIG
247 posted on 01/12/2004 1:25:41 PM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: browardchad
"Although you seem to have a marked aversion for facts, here's another one you can ignore: Emma Lazarus was a Socialist."

I don't know if that is an actual fact. She certainly was a liberal in the old-fashioned sense of the word. (Her father was a very rich sugar dealer. They had a house in Newport. She had private tutors, etc.)

But she was foremost a Zionist even before Zionism was invented. She discovered her Jewish roots and took a very active interest in anti-Semtism and the resulting pogroms in Europe and Russia.

Most of her social work (visiting immigrants, etc.) and her writings concerned persecuted Jews who she felt needed and deserved asylum and ultimately a homeland.
248 posted on 01/12/2004 1:30:11 PM PST by Hon
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To: browardchad
"In the 1880s, Emma Lazarus became increasingly convinced that "the time has come for actions rather than words." She visited Russian refugees housed on Ward's Island, and helped at the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Moved by the exiles' struggles, she was also aware of how little she had in common with them. While working among Russian immigrants, she would sometimes joke, "What would my society friends say if they saw me here?"

Lazarus' ideas on the importance of manual labor helped lead to the establishment of the Hebrew Technical Institute. These views also betrayed an upper class tint as she spoke of "the wretched quality of work performed by the vast majority of American mechanics and domestic servants."

In 1883, Lazarus also formed the Society for the Improvement and Colonization of East European Jews. On her 1883 European trip she met with Jewish philanthropists like Claude Montefiore to gather support. However, much to her disappointment, the organization collapsed in 1884.

Emma Lazarus' advocacy included secular causes as well as Jewish ones. She corresponded with the activist Henry George, and published a sonnet in honor of his book, Progress and Poverty. She also wrote of her discussions with William Morris in an article in Century. While sympathetic to Morris' socialist ideas, Lazarus felt his theories were not applicable to America where "the avenues to ease and competency broad and numerous.""

http://www.jwa.org/exhibits/wov/lazarus/el13.html
252 posted on 01/12/2004 1:39:20 PM PST by Hon
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