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Kevin Phillips on The Bush Dynasty
LA Times ^ | Jan 11, 2004 | Kevin Phillips

Posted on 01/11/2004 1:45:15 AM PST by disturbed

Edited on 01/11/2004 1:55:15 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON — Dynasties in American politics are dangerous. We saw it with the Kennedys, we may well see it with the Clintons and we're certainly seeing it with the Bushes. Between now and the November election, it's crucial that Americans come to understand how four generations of the current president's family have embroiled the United States in the Middle East through CIA connections, arms shipments, rogue banks, inherited war policies and personal financial links.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bcci; binladenfamily; bush; iraq; kevinphillips; middleeast; presidentjebbush; saudiarabia
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1 posted on 01/11/2004 1:45:17 AM PST by disturbed
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To: disturbed
I don't know. You're new, the article is critical. I'm not sure how well it or you will go over.

Don't you want to start off with a couple of "Jesus for GW" threads and work up to this one?
2 posted on 01/11/2004 1:50:59 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: disturbed
"...we may well see it with the Clintons"

Yeah, well unless Chelsea plans to have 10 children, I don't see a dynasty there. By this statement alone the author shows himself an indiot.
3 posted on 01/11/2004 1:51:58 AM PST by jocon307 ( The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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4 posted on 01/11/2004 1:52:41 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Hi Mom! Hi Dad!)
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To: disturbed
what he said:

There is no evidence to suggest that the events of Sept. 11 could have been prevented or discovered ahead of time had someone other than a Bush been president.

What he meant:

"There is no evidence to suggest that the events of Sept. 11 could have been prevented or discovered ahead of time had someone other than a Bush been president ... but I'm going to write this in a manner that makes it so that you can't help but to believe that Bush was remotely piloting all four 9-11 planes from the oval office while on conference call with Osama Bin Laden."

5 posted on 01/11/2004 1:53:23 AM PST by Gerasimov
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Bush-hating books are hitting the book shelves in advance of the January Caucii. Its become for leftists what black helicopters were to the extreme right some years ago. Its like Bush is Big Brother watching every move they make and its driven them into paranoia.
6 posted on 01/11/2004 1:53:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
It came from a well known Republican commentator. Shrug.
7 posted on 01/11/2004 1:54:07 AM PST by disturbed (Praise God, Vote Bush, and pass the war plans.)
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To: disturbed
disturbed aka yelladog banned.
8 posted on 01/11/2004 1:59:21 AM PST by Jim Robinson (I don't belong to no organized political party. I'm a Republycan.)
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To: disturbed
I have to say that you have passed MY first "troll" test - you've actually responded on your own thread.

A tentative "Welcome to FR" (tough crowd around here)

BTW, the C-SPAN schedule does not show it but they have been advertising 12:00 Noon Eastern on C-SPAN2's BookTV when Kevin Phillips will talk about this book. Don't know if it is Live or not.
9 posted on 01/11/2004 2:00:25 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: jimrob
oops. Spoke too soon.
10 posted on 01/11/2004 2:01:17 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: disturbed
It came from a well known Republican commentator. Shrug.

Kevin Phillips is not a Republican. He's an apostate conservative. Yawn.

11 posted on 01/11/2004 2:02:53 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: disturbed
More fuel for Hillary's well-placed VRWC quote. What's next? Entitlements for the paranoid?
12 posted on 01/11/2004 2:03:16 AM PST by PGalt
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To: disturbed
Au revoir.
13 posted on 01/11/2004 2:03:47 AM PST by vikingchick
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Maybe a "Jesus for GW" thread would have fooled the mods a bit longer.
14 posted on 01/11/2004 2:04:34 AM PST by leadpenny
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We survived 2 Adamses, 2 Roosevelts (yes not as close a relation), and (barely) the co presidents of the Clinton years.

YAWN.

I tell you Bush isn't perfect, but it is nice to have a real President and not the snivelling twit who just said no to getting rid of Osama in 98...
15 posted on 01/11/2004 2:07:09 AM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
Two terms of Dubya followed by two terms of Jeb would be perfect.
16 posted on 01/11/2004 2:12:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Fantasy Island runs on TVLand now! Blackbird.
17 posted on 01/11/2004 2:30:31 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Gerasimov
"...so that you can't help but to believe that Bush was remotely piloting all four 9-11 planes from the oval office."

LOL
18 posted on 01/11/2004 2:31:22 AM PST by Sarah
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Amen! I can't remember the young Bush's name who was making the rounds at the Convention, on election night, and on the night of the inauguration. Jet black hair, in his late 20's, very bright, good looking, and articulate. I remember commenting to my wife and a friend while watching him on one of the shows that "The Bush's will be our camelot ... except without the murder, DUI, and other amoral nonsense..."
19 posted on 01/11/2004 3:27:34 AM PST by Gerasimov
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To: Gerasimov; Jim Robinson
Yes, and that young man is partially hispanic in his heritage as well.

But to the thread at hand. I was actually going to post something about this book myself after I saw it for the first time Thursday night. It is really a pounding.

Kevin Phillips is the well known stategist for Nixon, some would even say his Karl Rove. He wrote The Emerging Republican Majority and The Cousins War.

Like many old style Republicans of the sixties, he was what passed for a learned conservative.

However, Reagan was not his man...he dispaired of an actor and an interloper to the Washington scence it appears. He has become more, and more a critic of conservatism that the media loves to play as a conservative, critical of conservatives.

He wrote The Politics of Rich and Poor: Wealth and the American Electorate in the Reagan Aftermath another weighty analysis. The new book on Bush is not a Molly Ivans screed of something that can be dismissed that easily.

It is far from consiratorial, but instead is a well documented history of Bush's antecedents and then an assignment of motives that are fairly, McCain style, damning from my quick skimming of some chapters.

To give you a sense of the man, lets jump into an interview with Bill Moyers, the PBS icon where Kevin is answering a question:

KEVIN PHILLIPS: I think partly because they're so interested in raising money that they can't see their soul in the mirror.

BILL MOYERS: What has happened to the word equality? When you and I were young men in politics it was a common reference in our political discourse. Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, a lot of others too, but you don't hear it in the political lexicon anymore.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: You hear it in twisted ways. There is a view in some conservative circles that it doesn't matter much what concentrations of wealth you have or disparities of income. It's equality of consumption. It's the right to have Nike shoes, to listen to a boom box, to take a plane ride. And ...

BILL MOYERS: Nothing wrong with that.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, no, but on the other hand, that didn't solve problems in a depression when you had the right to watch a plane fly over Kansas. Or turn on the radio. So you've got these different ledgers that are kept. And people that try to say "consumption is the yardstick" usually have it in mind that democracy is not ... that income differentials are not, they stand for a different philosophy.

BILL MOYERS: Didn't the word "equality" disappear because the people who believe in inequality won the elections?

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, there's a certain truth to that. And going back to the time when we were both in politics on different sides of the aisle, the ... one of the great weaknesses, in my opinion, in liberal politics, was to start talking about social equality in a way that had never really occurred in the United States. People came to this country as immigrants and they ... they suffered all kinds of hardships and "no Irish need apply" and everything you could name. Nobody ever tried to draw blueprints for bussing the Irish around Boston ...

BILL MOYERS: Mm-hm.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: ... or things like that. And there was a sense that equality in the social sense could be obtained through government, that became powerful in the '60s. And in my opinion, that was the beginning of the tending of the idea of equality in the sense of ... of economics. Now, conservatives will still say all that matters is equality of opportunity.

BILL MOYERS: The market will produce the equality.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Yes, exactly.

So you see, a fellow that obviously read Burke, and knows how foundational Equality of Opportunity is in preserving Equality Before the Law, downplaying its foundational Whig heritage and making it a Beard driven economic analysis that the ecomonic basis of conservatism is the true root of all its thinking.

This book will influence persons that the Ivans, Carville and similar idiot crowd would never touch.

20 posted on 01/11/2004 4:02:43 AM PST by KC Burke
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