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To: IronJack
I dunno ... As late as Valerian (around 250 AD), the Empire was at war with the Church. It wasn't until Diocletian that the Imperial Crisis was resolved and peace established.

Not that accord with the early Church is necessarily an indicator of morality, but there is little to recommend Rome as an exemplar of carnal constraint, at ANY point in its history.

10 posted on 01/10/2004 9:14:10 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
I dunno ... As late as Valerian (around 250 AD), the Empire was at war with the Church. It wasn't until Diocletian that the Imperial Crisis was resolved and peace established.

Not that accord with the early Church is necessarily an indicator of morality, but there is little to recommend Rome as an exemplar of carnal constraint, at ANY point in its history.

1. I referred to "... the century or so before [the Western Empire's] final collapse". Given that the Western Empire was finally extinguished in 476, a century earlier would be 376, a time when Christianity was well and firmly established in the Roman world.

2. I referred to "morality and religious fervor", not Christianity specifically. Cults such as the Eleusinian Mysteries and other eastern religions such as Mithraism were also extremely widespread in this period.

3. It's excessive to say that Rome never evinced "carnal constraint" at "ANY" point in its history. Traditional Roman religion was still strong as late as 100 BC, or over six centuries into the city's history, and morals which seem familiar to ours had begun to take hold with the spread of Christianity, as early as the third century AD.

35 posted on 01/10/2004 11:46:16 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (You keep nasty chips.)
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