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To: DTA
As the NATO report says, "Krivenik has roughly 370 inhabitants - all ethnic Albanian - living in approximately 45 homes." DTA, your premise that a 120mm mortar inside the village fired on KFOR also inside the village is unsustainable. Even if your 265 meter minimum range is correct, the distance from the mortar to the impact of the rounds is obviously less than that in a village of that size. And the idea that the KFOR in the village would somehow not notice that a 250 pound mortar was set up and firing from the village is laughable.

DTA, you said: “NATO'S OWN KRIVENIK REPORT IS THE PROOF OF NATO SPONSORSHIP OF TERRORISTS IN KOSOVO. 1. KFOR foreces received mortar fire from UCK/KLA/NLA/ the very morning Lawton was killed.”

Your idea that the NLA firing mortars at KFOR equals proof of “NATO sponsorship” of the NLA is completely illogical, not to mention unsupported by the facts.

Here's the direct quote from what the actual NATO report at the link concludes:

“NATO's investigation into the incident was exhaustive and conducted by a team of experts in analysing such incidents. Despite this the team could not pinpoint the precise location of mortar positions, and showed that the mortar rounds could have been fired from either side of the border, and from locations where both ARM and NLA forces were known or suspected to be operating. Evidence uncovered by the investigation is therefore insufficient to authoritatively determine who attacked Krivenik with indirect fire and why the attack was conducted.”

34 posted on 01/14/2004 3:33:42 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf; A. Pole
Mark502inf,

Although NATO intellingence had information of terrorist activity around Krivenik in Kosovo and threat to NATO forces, NATO did nothing to eliminate the threat to NATO forces. Radar needed for detection of artilery and mortar fire was removed and taken to TFF (U.S. base)

On March 29 Albanian terrorists have attacked POLUKRBAT, Polish -Ukrainian Battalion with mortar fire. This proved that NATO intel was correct.

Poland is NATO member since 1999. However, NATO did not react on hostile attack on Polish armed forces although they are NATO member country.

NATO Tactical airstrike could be called within minutes. Yet, there was no NATO armed response.

Even worse, NATO document describes POLUKRBAT as "KFOR elements" as if they are terrorists not obeying the warning of KLA not to intervene. Also, documents puts equation between the armed forces of sovereign UN country (FYROM) and terrorist organization (KLA)

Was this coincidence?

The following events show the clear pattern of NATO involvement. Krivenik was not an aberation. NATO's actions as well as failure to react have only encouraged the terrorists to ciontinue their activity.

June 2001

When ARM surrounded UCK enclave in Aracinovo, EU pressure allowed American troops to intercede and evacuate terrorists.According to German news reports, American instructors were among Albanian terrorist s being evacuated by U.S. forces. ( see FR archives)

July -August 2001

Javier Solana and George Robertson, the Secretary-Generals of the European Union and NATO respectively, have made direct interventions to the Ukraine to cut off flow of weapons and munitions to Government of Macedonia (FYROM) and her army (ARM). At the same time, there was no intervention to stop U.S. supply of terrorists.

Eyewitness reported:

"The UCK are quick to acknowledge the US military support that they receive. Commander "Mouse," a 47-year-old UCK officer in the Tetovo sector shouted "God Bless America and Canada too for what they have given us!" While he would not elaborate on Canada's contribution, "Mouse" confirmed that two US Chinook Heavy Transport Helicopters had delivered weapons to the UCK in the hills above Tetovo. When the Macedonian government first protested this action, the US official statement was that only humanitarian aid had been airlifted to a remote Albanian village. Commander "Mouse" contradicted the US explanation by admitting that "heavy mortars and munitions" had in fact been supplied by the Chinooks. "We now have all the equipment and men we need to capture Skopje in 24 hours," said Commander "Jimmy", a 22-year-old Albanian guerrilla who is already a veteran of Chechnya, Kosovo, and South Serbia. "Militarily, the Macedonians are no match for our soldiers."

NATO Krivenik report was released in July 2003. That is why this is an important document.

35 posted on 01/14/2004 9:31:21 AM PST by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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To: mark502inf; A. Pole
Mark502inf,

Although NATO intellingence had information of terrorist activity around Krivenik in Kosovo and threat to NATO forces, NATO did nothing to eliminate the threat to NATO forces. Radar needed for detection of artilery and mortar fire was removed and taken to TFF (U.S. base)

On March 29 Albanian terrorists have attacked POLUKRBAT, Polish -Ukrainian Battalion with mortar fire. This proved that NATO intel was correct.

Poland is NATO member since 1999. However, NATO did not react on hostile attack on Polish armed forces although they are NATO member country.

NATO Tactical airstrike could be called within minutes. Yet, there was no NATO armed response.

Even worse, NATO document describes POLUKRBAT as "KFOR elements" as if they are terrorists not obeying the warning of KLA not to intervene. Also, documents puts equation between the armed forces of sovereign UN country (FYROM) and terrorist organization (KLA)

Was this coincidence?

The following events show the clear pattern of NATO involvement. Krivenik was not an aberation. NATO's actions as well as failure to react have only encouraged the terrorists to ciontinue their activity.

June 2001

When ARM surrounded UCK enclave in Aracinovo, EU pressure allowed American troops to intercede and evacuate terrorists.According to German news reports, American instructors were among Albanian terrorist s being evacuated by U.S. forces. ( see FR archives)

July -August 2001

Javier Solana and George Robertson, the Secretary-Generals of the European Union and NATO respectively, have made direct interventions to the Ukraine to cut off flow of weapons and munitions to Government of Macedonia (FYROM) and her army (ARM). At the same time, there was no intervention to stop U.S. supply of terrorists.

Eyewitness reported:

"The UCK are quick to acknowledge the US military support that they receive. Commander "Mouse," a 47-year-old UCK officer in the Tetovo sector shouted "God Bless America and Canada too for what they have given us!" While he would not elaborate on Canada's contribution, "Mouse" confirmed that two US Chinook Heavy Transport Helicopters had delivered weapons to the UCK in the hills above Tetovo. When the Macedonian government first protested this action, the US official statement was that only humanitarian aid had been airlifted to a remote Albanian village. Commander "Mouse" contradicted the US explanation by admitting that "heavy mortars and munitions" had in fact been supplied by the Chinooks. "We now have all the equipment and men we need to capture Skopje in 24 hours," said Commander "Jimmy", a 22-year-old Albanian guerrilla who is already a veteran of Chechnya, Kosovo, and South Serbia. "Militarily, the Macedonians are no match for our soldiers."

NATO Krivenik report was released in July 2003. That is why this is an important document.

36 posted on 01/14/2004 9:32:57 AM PST by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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To: mark502inf; A. Pole
Mark502inf,

Although NATO intellingence had information of terrorist activity around Krivenik in Kosovo and threat to NATO forces, NATO did nothing to eliminate the threat to NATO forces. Radar needed for detection of artilery and mortar fire was removed and taken to TFF (U.S. base)

On March 29 Albanian terrorists have attacked POLUKRBAT, Polish -Ukrainian Battalion with mortar fire. This proved that NATO intel was correct.

Poland is NATO member since 1999. However, NATO did not react on hostile attack on Polish armed forces although they are NATO member country.

NATO Tactical airstrike could be called within minutes. Yet, there was no NATO armed response.

Even worse, NATO document describes POLUKRBAT as "KFOR elements" as if they are terrorists not obeying the warning of KLA not to intervene. Also, documents puts equation between the armed forces of sovereign UN country (FYROM) and terrorist organization (KLA)

Was this coincidence?

The following events show the clear pattern of NATO involvement. Krivenik was not an aberation. NATO's actions as well as failure to react have only encouraged the terrorists to ciontinue their activity.

June 2001

When ARM surrounded UCK enclave in Aracinovo, EU pressure allowed American troops to intercede and evacuate terrorists.According to German news reports, American instructors were among Albanian terrorist s being evacuated by U.S. forces. ( see FR archives)

July -August 2001

Javier Solana and George Robertson, the Secretary-Generals of the European Union and NATO respectively, have made direct interventions to the Ukraine to cut off flow of weapons and munitions to Government of Macedonia (FYROM) and her army (ARM). At the same time, there was no intervention to stop U.S. supply of terrorists.

Eyewitness reported:

"The UCK are quick to acknowledge the US military support that they receive. Commander "Mouse," a 47-year-old UCK officer in the Tetovo sector shouted "God Bless America and Canada too for what they have given us!" While he would not elaborate on Canada's contribution, "Mouse" confirmed that two US Chinook Heavy Transport Helicopters had delivered weapons to the UCK in the hills above Tetovo. When the Macedonian government first protested this action, the US official statement was that only humanitarian aid had been airlifted to a remote Albanian village. Commander "Mouse" contradicted the US explanation by admitting that "heavy mortars and munitions" had in fact been supplied by the Chinooks. "We now have all the equipment and men we need to capture Skopje in 24 hours," said Commander "Jimmy", a 22-year-old Albanian guerrilla who is already a veteran of Chechnya, Kosovo, and South Serbia. "Militarily, the Macedonians are no match for our soldiers."

NATO Krivenik report was released in July 2003. That is why this is an important document.

37 posted on 01/14/2004 9:33:05 AM PST by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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To: mark502inf; Wraith; joan; *balkans; Hoplite
Major General Rustem Mustafa
Commander Gashi
Major General Harandaji (sp ?)

The list of KLA whom have been arrested by UNMIK/KFOR for murdering Albanians before March 1999 is long and growing.

The misinformation you seem to have blindly accepted while stationed in Kosovo and Metohija is manifestly NOT accepted by the rest of KFOR/UNMIK. For they are tossing the KLA murders into prison as fast as possible.

38 posted on 01/14/2004 1:53:40 PM PST by ehoxha
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