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To: Destro
The examples proved your ignorance on the subject-examples that perfectly provedmy point that democracy building in Japan and Germany worked becuase democracy once flourished in those nations just a generation before the rise of Hitler or Tojo.

On the contrary, your assertions prove your ignorance, unless "flourished" means "taking some tentative steps" on your planet.

A culture where leader worship causes men to smash themselves suicidally upside warships isn't what I would call ripe for democracy.

62 posted on 01/10/2004 5:54:00 PM PST by prion
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To: prion
But democracy already existed. Men remembered and were probably members of Japanese political parties and movements before the Generals took power in Japan. The great depression almost cost the USA her democracy. Huey Long anyone? When Americans said we will hold free elections and that mionority views can be expressed Germans and Japanese knew exactly what that meant even though they spent a generation under totalitarian rule.

The USA did not teach any of that-it just reinserteted those already understood and accepted concepts into those nations.

Nice attempt to over up your ignorance.

Once again, democracy can not be imposed from outside. In all cases where democracy flourishes a pre-existing condition for its truimph existed (as in the case of Japan and Germany). The USA has never been able to impose a democracy on a nation that did not have the foundations for a democracy and the USA has never been able to create anywhere-anytime the foundations that would allow for a democracy to evolve. - Name me one nation where the foundations for democracy did not exist (never held elections on their own) that the USA has been able to transform it to a democracy via nation building or any such method? Dare ya. Double dare ya.

72 posted on 01/10/2004 6:04:19 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: prion
PS: Japan and Germany did not take tentative steps towards democracy pre Hitler-Tojo. They were FULL BLOWN functioning democracies. Gemrany was in fact more democratic and gave more rights to its people under the Kaisers than the British did their own people.
74 posted on 01/10/2004 6:06:19 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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