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To: robertpaulsen
Why stop at guns? These tyrannical protectorates or "safety zones" should have each household item categorized as a *potential* weapon or not.

Since they fail to grasp the idea of self defense and endorse mob rule over a basic human right, what stops them from running roughshod over other rights?

I know where you are coming from, you are making the argument for the mob rule mentality (not saying you endorse it). However, these are basic rights which have made this country great, only the goofy control freaks have a problem with these freedoms.

When you start throwing people in jail for defending themselves, you better have eyes in the back of your head.
261 posted on 01/17/2004 4:11:13 PM PST by Stew Padasso (Head down over a saddle.)
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To: Stew Padasso
The Illinois State Constitution reads:

SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

This is where the problem lies, and this is what needs to change. Given this wording, counties, cities, and towns will be able to restrict gun ownership (assuming the people vote that way in their local government).

The Village of Morton Grove (Illinois) was a landmark case. Although the USSC refused to hear it, the United States Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit ruled the ban constitutional.

"In its opinion, Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, 532 F.Supp. 1169 (N.D.Ill. 1981), the district court set forth several reasons for upholding the handgun ban's validity under the state and federal constitutions. First, it held that the Ordinance which banned only certain kinds of arms was a valid exercise of Morton Grove's police power and did not conflict with section 22's conditional right to keep and bear arms. Second, relying on Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 6 S.Ct. 580, 29 L.Ed. 615 (1886), the court concluded that the second amendment's guarantee of the right to bear arms has not been incorporated into the fourteenth amendment and, therefore, is inapplicable to Morton Grove. Finally, it stated that the ninth amendment does not include the right to possess handguns for self-defense."

As I've stated before, the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not apply to the states. It only says that the federal government may not infringe.

262 posted on 01/18/2004 7:26:21 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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