What good can a handgun do against an Army

Jeffhead.com ^ | 1999 | Mike Vanderboegh

[JOAT]

I standardized several years ago on .223 and .308 for long rifles and .44mag for hanguns and my lever action bear gun (both shoot the same cartridge)...and .12 gauge for shotguns.

I am considering a 9mm pistol and carbine combination to augment my .44mag.

All good choices should the need arise to "resupply" from the enemy. I think I would consider something chambered in 7.62 X 39

That would depend on who (wearing blue helmets?) might be supplying large quantities of that.

[archy]

BTW, which states just passed and conceal and carry laws?

Which states just passed laws permitting the publication of licensed news reports?

Which states just passed laws allowing licensed attendance at church services?

Which states just passed laws allowing travel from one city to another with a travel permit?

[JOAT]

If any have doubts about an armed citizenry against the forces of government, go watch Blackhawk Down.

Good point if you think the objective is to stand toe-to-toe.

However, that would not be the objective.

[NicknamedBob]

Awesome!

When my daughter asked me, 'Daddy, why do we have guns?' my answer was, and is:

That's so anyone who wants to harm us will know there is a price to pay.

[archy]

All good choices should the need arise to "resupply" from the enemy. I think I would consider something chambered in 7.62 X 39

That would depend on who (wearing blue helmets?) might be supplying large quantities of that.

Not a problem; if they're providing the ammo, they'll be providing a few extra weapons as well, though they may be slightly scratched, dinged or stained. But the point is to become at least minimally familiar with the operation and use of such equipment, and at least genearally aware of the operation of some of the heavier support weaponry.

Remember that a government that uses such equipment on its own citizens deserves no less than a similar response in kind; and at this point, we're up to the use of the tanks and Mark 19 automatic grenade launcher at Waco. Turn about is fair play.

The AK is a good dependable weapon, simple to use and easy to train a rookie on in a few hours worth of instructional block- a few minutes worth, in an emergency. It is not without its flaws and faults, but is certainly worth having in its own right.

But do not expect a benevolent adversary to be so generous, and remember that the price of any such resupply will be paid in blood. It's far preferable to stock a reasonable amount of ammo- and then some, either for others or for use as trade goods- so that such resupply is unnecessary, even if available. It's much easier to obtain if the benefactors are complacent.

-archy-/-

[Euro-American Scum]

Hey Jeff --

Just wanted you to know I ordered the fourth volume of the Dragon's Fury Series from Amazon.com. I'm currently in volume 2 of that series myself. I confess it's slow going because the books are grimly realistic in their description of how America comes undone, and way too close to today's headlines. You've proven to be a bit too prophetic in your vision of the country's future for comfort.

And my state of mind about the future of the country is not that good, so I find it difficult to read a volume about how things come apart all that quickly.

All the same, the series is riveting, and I would encourage all Freepers to give this series a look. It's grim at times, starkly realistic, but a riveting read, and one that puts its hooks into you and doesn't let go.

I'm enjoying it and not enjoying it at the same time. But I'm hooked and absolutely fascinated as to how this will turn out.

Dragon’s Fury Series

[archy]

Good point if you think the objective is to stand toe-to-toe.

However, that would not be the objective.

Depends on what the government's objective is.

Freedom is just another word for *Nothin' left to lose...."

-Janis Joplin

[archy]

When my daughter asked me, 'Daddy, why do we have guns?' my answer was, and is:

That's so anyone who wants to harm us will know there is a price to pay.

I hope someday your daughter can tell your grandchildren the same thing. And that you are still around to see it be so.

The price for that posasibility, of course, is that we may not be.

-archy-/-

[PoorMuttly]

I know of the abolitionist Cassius Clay...and that "M. Ali" called it his "slave name" (never fully understood that one)...but who is the one you cite?

And of course, Muttly seconds your prediction of the proliferation of short shotguns and rifles should real disaster hit...but then, the truly dangerous will be aware of the inherent inaccuracy and lesser effective range of such tools...and stick with their SOP of dealing with threats at a distance, whenever possible!

PM sez: Keep your friends close...and your enemies blowed-up somewheres else!

[toddst]

With modern technological advances in optics and reloading equipment and components coupled with the availability of some very fine civilian sniper courses, one can shoot some pretty tight groups at 1000 yards with a .308 or 1500 yards with a .300 winmag.

I don't doubt there are some who can manage such shots at extended ranges. For me, about 500 yards is the outside edge of what I can manage with any consistency (with a .308 bolt action.) However, within the 500 yard distance, there would be many one-shot kills by numbers of us. Very demoralizing to the opposition.

All this keeps me motivated to work against the "witch" ever getting into the white house other than as a guest.

[Travis McGee]

In a country with 10-15 million scoped deer rifles, a computer could also be a potent weapon. Say, a computer that generated an unstoppable list of the names and addresses of all federal agents, politicians, and members of the senior executive service? You don't attack a powerful governments tanks or attack helicopters, you run from them. You would attack the decision making class.

[jedi]

First, our own military is not likely to take on their own citizenry...

True generally, but remember the 20-25% of Seal Team Six who answered "yes" when asked if they would fire on US citizens who resisted gun confiscation.

Another approach might be to scatter our troops around the world and use foreign troops here. Wouldn't it be ironic if such troops included Afghanis or Iraqis or Albanians or Serbs? I'm sure they would be sensitive to our culture and way of doing things.

[StriperSniper]

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[Travis McGee]

My Ruger Standard Model .22 pistol (6" fixed sights) is my final hole-card gun. With it's symmetrical and cylindrical barrel and receiver, it is particularly easy to accessorise.

[Travis McGee]

Thanks for posting this Jeff!

[arrow107]

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall" - Adolf Hitler

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest" - Mahatma Gandhi

[Travis McGee]

#23: .45 Liberator Bump!

I wonder what would happen if our leaders had some spunk, and authorized the Christians In Action to dump modern "liberators" over Iran, Cuba etc?

[toddst]

Another approach might be to scatter our troops around the world and use foreign troops here. Wouldn't it be ironic if such troops included Afghanis or Iraqis or Albanians or Serbs? I'm sure they would be sensitive to our culture and way of doing things.

I wouldn't doubt this being one approach used. However, the foreign troops attacking us here would be terminated far more rapidly than our having to fight our own - with reluctance. The foreign troops would face a fury they could not comprehend nor counter IMO.

[PoorMuttly]

1) Highly agree with post # 60. A bayonet-capable rifle is an excellent thing...especially if on a rifle designed not to bend its barrel when used ! Therefore...Muttly really likes his '03 and 98Ks. Bayonets make nice hunting/camping knives too...as my Daddy taught me by example.

Funny thing about that Master Lock photo, and the Liberator. Master used to run a t.v. commercial with a man shooting the lock in the center, with a rifle. Well...if he shot it on the side, where it locks the hasp in...open ! One can wail on the largest Master lock with a hammer, especially Muttly-favorite hand sledge or other persuader...and no key needed again. They do slow down most thieves, though.

Also wholeheartedly agree with Jeff's assessment about humans being this way until "fixed," and that only One can and will do that. Gives me great peace to know that all these preparations are prudent...but are also, as am I at ALL times, in the hands of the merciful and kind Creator...so hopefully all this is an interesting and useful hobby.

2) If resupply is necessary, through unpleasant means...the source of 9mm and 7.62x39 would more likely be the local drug and pitbull enthusiasts..who hoard such things for macho points...and coincident with that...have false confidence in them to protect...hide behind. They spray and pray, because they know no better, have a reason for concealing their firearms ownership therefore never practicing...and it is also childish bravado. At such times, the truly Muttly get "Wild Bill Hickock calm" and consciously place their shot...like Alvin York.

[Travis McGee]

I can think of a "useful" job new arrivals from Mexico and points south could perform for the lords and masters, in order to qualify for a "fast track citizenship program."

They'll be great for road blocks, and cordon and search ops.

"4th Amd? We don't know no stinkin' 4th Amd!"