Bush Pulls Off Shrewd Stroke (Immigration strategery is a coup de main)

The United Press International ^ | January 8, 2004 | Martin Sieff

[quidnunc]

President George W. Bush's proposed immigration reform plan may prove to be a masterstroke from a maestro political strategist playing at the top of his game. It may backfire on him, but it probably won't.

The reform plan has already provoked strong attacks from Democrats and Latino activists who say it does not go far enough and the critical voices have been particularly loud in crucial California. It will also increase strains the president's policies have already generated in the Rocky Mountain libertarian West, his archrival John McCain's stronghold in the 2000 Republican primary race.

But at the end of the day, unless the two huge decisive issues of the economy and national security turn catastrophically sour on the president, these critiques will probably bounce off him like any criticism off the Teflon back of Ronald Reagan.

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[Travis McGee]

What you say is true. What Bush is doing is increasing the sense of entitlement among the invaders. The more that come, the greater their sense that they are only reclaiming what is "theirs." We are fast approaching a fatal tipping point, where the problem will not be solveable without an enormous social and civil conflict.

[Iris7]

Not me. I am always a week or two behind his moves, but then I see them and marvel. We are seeing the greatest statecraft by an American since General Washington.

[Siamese Princess]

If Bush's plan were to go through, I believe it would substancially increase the danger for the border patrol. Imvaders would see the plan as more proof of their right to come to the U.S. and increase their resentment and anger at anyone trying to stop them.

According to a poll taken a few years in Mexico, the majority of Mexican think that they have a right to settle in the U.S.

[dagnabbit]

If Bush's plan were to go through, I believe it would substancially increase the danger for the border patrol. Imvaders would see the plan as more proof of their right to come to the U.S. and increase their resentment and anger at anyone trying to stop them

If Bush Jr.'s plan gets shoved down our throats, the only job for the Border Patrol will be to collect the fencing and turn out the station lights.

[Texasforever]

Bush is a Christian globalist socialist.

I am just curious about why this proposal is such a shock? Bush has spent his entire political life lobbying for a guest worker program. He did it for 6 years as a governor and he campaigned on it from 1998 to 2000. He has never tried to hide his wish. This has nothing to do with pandering, he knows many are going to be angry but this has been a guiding principle for him from the first day he entered politics. You can't be betrayed by someone that has not changed his position even when doing so could cost him votes.

[sfRummygirl]

Well, not much will be bouncing off of me, until the freakin' borders are closed and people are deported.

[Travis McGee]

Our long term global adversaries (China, Europe etc) would love nothing better than to see America broken into parts, sunk in civil conflict, broken. It would be very cost effective for them to assist the Aztlan folks and so on. A couple of folks like George Soros, used as cutouts or insulation, is all it takes. Soros (or others) funding groups like MeCha, MoveOn.org etc with millions of dollars, that's all it will take. They will use this money mostly on lawyers, to tie the American Gulliver in legal knots, while they work their plots to destroy the America that we knew.

[Iris7]

I know where you are coming from. I do not like the situation either. However, this business is not going to be fixed. The Great American Middle Class will not survive the changes here now and soon to come.

[Texasforever]

Well, not much will be bouncing off of me, until the freakin' borders are closed and people are deported.

How do you deport 10 million people with 1500 INS field agents? If you say use local law enforcement forget it. Right after 911 Bush ask local and state governments to do just that and to a man they told him to piss off as was their constitutional right. Should the INS be expanded 100 thousand, a million? Where do they come from? Should the National Guard be called out for massive sweeps? How would they do it, martial law? The fact is that after 50 years of a porous border it "round 'em up and kick them out” is a nice slogan but it can't be done.

[dagnabbit]

Well, not much will be bouncing off of me, until the freakin' borders are closed and people are deported.

That cannot happen until January 2009 at the earliest. With every presidential candidate in the two major parties pimping an illegal alien amnesty scheme, it's guaranteed that the White House will be open-borders headquarters until after the 08 election.

I don't know how much hope there is that a GOP congress can keep things in check until then. It might even be more likely with a Dem president than with Bush, since the Congressional leadership won't feel the need to cooperate with one of their own.

That would be similar to how Clinton was kept from doing anything on the scale of Bush's giveaway. Klintoon, in fact, was even compelled by the GOP congress and public sentiment to sign a real reform bill, the 1996 Immigration and Welfare Reform Act (since partially undone by Bush Jr.)

[Siamese Princess]

I am just curious about why this proposal is such a shock? Bush has spent his entire political life lobbying for a guest worker program. He did it for 6 years as a governor and he campaigned on it from 1998 to 2000. He has never tried to hide his wish. This has nothing to do with pandering, he knows many are going to be angry but this has been a guiding principle for him from the first day he entered politics. You can't be betrayed by someone that has not changed his position even when doing so could cost him votes.

Pres. Bush is a fanatical globalist ideologue, immune from both reason and reality, as well as a Christian socialist to boot. I held my nose, figuratively speaking, when I voted for him in 2000. Yes, I remember a similar amnesty proposal was made before 9-11. I also remember his half-Mexican nephew's speech at the Republic convention, peppered with Spanish. I turned off the TV is disgust.

[ArneFufkin]

Pres. Bush is a fanatical globalist ideologue

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs! Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!

[Siamese Princess]

Our long term global adversaries (China, Europe etc) would love nothing better than to see America broken into parts, sunk in civil conflict, broken. It would be very cost effective for them to assist the Aztlan folks and so on.

Definitely! At the outbreak of the American Civil War, many in Britain and France favored a Confederate victory because they wished to see a rival weakened. Also, ever hear of the Zimmerman plan? It's late (4:30 AM EST) and my mind is slow but during WWI Germany promised Mexico the restoration of its lost land in the US southwest if it sided with Germany. There was a Mexican-American revolt and many Anglos were killed or fled. Mexican-American leaders approached Black and American Indian leaders for help, to no avail, but they were aided by Japanese-Americans -- I daresay that fact was remembered after Pearl Harbor.

It wouldn't surprise me if Mexico formed some sort of alliance with China or Muslim terrorists against the U.S., if it hasn't already. A Chinese company, Hutchinson-Whampoa, I believe, controls both ports on either side of the Panama Canal.

[Siamese Princess]

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs! Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!

Please explain, pray tell.

[dagnabbit]

I'm still waiting for nephew "P" to put on his nation's uniform and get himself "downrange".

Because it might serve him well, if he indeed has political ambitions, to be able to discuss what he did in the war, rather than have to recount back-injury or ANG-drinking stories.

[Texasforever]

I also remember his half-Mexican nephew's speech at the Republic convention, peppered with Spanish. I turned off the TV is disgust

Your post is just a collection of sloganeering buzz words. Do you think anyone will be impressed with some not so subtle racial components such as "half-Mexican nephew". I may have confused you with a "former Bush supporter" but it is now evident that you just hate the guy. BTW your worst nightmare may happen that "half-Mexican nephew" may be the next Bush in the White-house.

[ArneFufkin]

Please explain, pray tell.

You'll have to wait for my FR vanity thread on General Mills' cereal advertising campaigns.

One more thing ... you're a kook.

[Jaysun]

One more thing ... you're a kook.

I love the word kook

[ArneFufkin]

I love the word kook

The word is great, the humans are problematic.

And, I am KOOKY! Goofball kooky. Not paranoid kooky however.

Paranoid kooky becomes pathalogical real real quick.

[Jaysun]

Paranoid kooky becomes pathalogical real real quick.

I wouldn't consider myself a paranoid kook either. Aside from taking normal precautions - such as refusing to go outside during daylight to avoid having the Feds track my every move via satellite, and refusing to take their so called "immunization" shots - I'm not paranoid.