Racist war of the loyalist street gangs (Northern Ireland)

Guardian ^ | 01/10/04 | Angelique Chrisafis

[Norse]

Well, what i'm trying to pinpoint here is the root cause of this racism and why it occurs. To understand why is the purpose here... and yes it does apply to these thugs as well. Very smart intellectual people are often the most violent.

[Norse]

You said inbreeding - that's where I got the non-white gene thing.

[cyborg]

I don't know if I'd use Northern Ireland as the best example. They've been shooting it out there forever. C'mon admit it that ya don't want to be on the same side as the GUARDIAN!!! I understand what you're saying but they can't be that smart to be fighting in the name of religion that preches against violence.

[cyborg]

No no not what I'm getting at. Inbreeding? On second thought, the sort of de-evolving on the level of Lord of the Flies.

[blanknoone]

I'm not sure if it is or isn't an anti-Protestant hit piece. I don't know where the problems are and aren't.

If the problems are in both Catholic and Protestant neighborhoods, then it certainly unfairly emphasizing the problems in the Protestant areas. But it could also be that there are in fact more problems in the Protestant areas.

Seperating the religion out is important...in Northern Ireland the religion is as much a culture/ethnicity as the religion. It is possible that Protestant thugs have become very racist and the Catholic thugs have not...or have not to the same degree. Regardless, we have to be careful about smearing the religion (both) with the actions of the thugs.

[scaevola]

Don't worry... the Prod yahoos attack people down there to... You could say that these thugs are liberals -- equal opportunity hoodlums.

[scaevola]

Chummer, they have been "shooting it out" since the shooting involved arrows and bolts.

Religion is, if you will, a red herring. Ulster is the result of ethnic cleansing back before anyone imagined the phrase. The Catholics in the six counties mistakenly know as Ulster (Ulster really has nine counties, its just that six of them happen to be under the thumb of the UK) were essentially told to go "to hell or Connaught" -- iow, get out or die here.

As for agreeing with the Guardian, while I wouldn't wrap fish in it, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If these lads are willing to maim and kill Catholics over the little differences, why should it suprise anyone they would do the same over more obvious ones?

[cyborg]

excellent post

If these lads are willing to maim and kill Catholics over the little differences, why should it suprise anyone they would do the same over more obvious ones?

***very,very good point.

[FITZ]

Americans have faces anti-Americanism in some places --- slogans like "yankee go home". I think before you relocate to some other country or place, you should check the friendliness of the natives. Also the idea that people shouldn't work to reform their own countries if they hate the conditions in them but have a right to move some and have a guarantee that all the conditions will be perfect. The world just isn't all peace, love, and brotherhood and it never was.

[alphadog]

"So let Northern Ireland degenerate into a inbred racist cesspool and let them devour themselves whatever"

Hey brother, whites can't walk around any ethnic areas and not get pummeled...maybe whitey is starting to fight back?

[cyborg]

That's not true and you know it. I disagree severely. Apparently a black woman minding her own business can't walk a white neighborhood either.

[FITZ]

So when professional people move to another country suddenly they're to blame.

How many of us would chose to move to Ulster? It's not like it has an image of being a really nice peaceful place where everyone always gets along --- I wonder if these people weren't aware of the violence we've all heard of. It would be the same if Americans moved to Chiapas or North Korea and were surprised and saddened by the reception they might be given, you'd have to wonder why they didn't study up more before the move.

[cyborg]

To be honest with you, many people who come from former British colonies believe more in the crown and the mothercountry of England and have more rosey view of it than the people that live there. A lot of people don't have a clue. When the first Jamaicans went to England in the late 40s they were SHOCKED at the less than warm reception and not becase they were barbarians either.

[Paleoguy]

Violence against someone because of their race is evil and wrong. That having been said, the western elites are following a fanatical policy of mass immigration, which is being imposed on the middle and working classes against their will and against their economic interests.

The elites like immigration for two reasons:

1) The economic elites want to saturate the labor market with cheap third world labor to depress wages and increase their profits.

2) The leftist political elites want to import dependent, big-government voters who are customers of the welfare state.

What is happening in Belfast is a preface to what will be happening all over Europe in a decade or two when large swaths of the continent are settled with foreign, and sometimes hate-filled (in the case of the Muslims) immigrants.

The real question here is: why can't the UK elites just leave N Ireland alone? Why do they have to move increasing numbers of immigrants there? Whose interests does it serve? Doesn't N. Ireland already have enough sectarian problems? Is "diversity" worth the chaos that is beginning?

To our elites, diversity and multiculturalism are religious doctrines (which have supplanted authentic religious ideals and which conventiently advance their class interests)...and they will not tolerate dissent.

[Exodus22]

"How many of us would chose to move to Ulster?"

I might if it was to a certain part of County Antrim that's beyond beautiful. Besides which, considering what's coming in this country it won't look so bad anymore. I was there in 1999 and everything SEEMED quite peaceful and hopeful as compared to when I was there in 1997. I'm going back this summer. It will be interesting to see what it's like now.

[reed_inthe_wind]

The women in Belfast are mighty friendly.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

Are you on drugs? You resettle aliens in a troubled land and you expect the natives to make nice. If the stupid, meddling English had cared to ask, they would have been told not to throw gas on a fire.