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America To Pull Its Tank Units Out Of Germany
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1-10-2004 | David Rennie

Posted on 01/09/2004 5:05:13 PM PST by blam

America to pull its tank units out of Germany

By David Rennie in Washington
(Filed: 10/01/2004)

The United States plans to withdraw its heavy armoured formations from Germany next year, in the largest reshaping of the European military landscape since the end of the Cold War, it emerged yesterday.

The historic plans are part of a drive to turn the American military into a more flexible, rapid reaction force.

They have been in gestation since long before the Iraq war, and Washington officials insist they are not punishing Germany for opposing the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

The decision to move all US armour home marks the end of the Cold War era when huge tank armies backed by millions of troops and thousands of aircraft readied for war in the heart of Europe.

Following the withdrawal of Russian troops from Germany, in 1994, America's pull-out would leave Britain the last foreign power with heavy armour on the plains of Germany. Britain maintains a force of some 23,000 troops there.

Douglas Feith, the Pentagon's top policy official, told German counterparts last month that America will start pulling out heavy ground forces late next year, eventually withdrawing up to 40,000 men from Germany by 2006, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Units will return to the US, although Washington plans new bases in Poland, Bulgaria and the Baltic States through which troops would move to future trouble spots.

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, has led an aggressive campaign to reshape the military for the new, less predictable, conflicts of the war on terror.

The changes aim to close many of the sprawling bases that span the globe from Germany to South Korea - many of them mini-Americas, complete with schools, hospitals, shopping centres and suburban housing estates.

Instead, Mr Rumsfeld wants troops to rotate through a global network of small bases, deploying to hot spots at short notice, and picking up equipment and supplies pre-positioned at storage sites.

Although many Germans will cheer the departure, there is no concealing the impact the American pull-out will have on their nation, politically, economically and even psychologically.

The rumble of American armour has been a backdrop to life in Germany since 1945. The two units earmarked for withdrawal - the 1st Armoured Division and the 1st Infantry Division - are steeped in European history.

The "Old Ironsides", as the 1st Armoured is known, landed in North Africa in 1942, fought German forces the length of Italy, and entered Germany as part of the allied occupation in 1945.

The "Big Red One", or 1st Infantry, fought the Kaiser's armies in the First World War under General Pershing, and helped drive Hitler's troops from France and Belgium.

Some important US facilities will remain in Germany, including the giant Ramstein air base, the US European Command headquarters in Stuttgart and a military hospital near Hamburg.

Russia has raised concerns about the arrival of large numbers of US troops in Poland and the Baltic states, ostensibly because such arrivals might violate Cold War era treaties on American troop strengths in Europe.

The Pentagon believes that careful juggling of European bases will avoid breaking those treaties.


TOPICS: Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; armor; bigredone; dod; feith; germany; militarybases; newnwo; oldironsides; out; pull; tanks; transformation; troopmovement; usarmy
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Yeah, I know. Knowing that and the friendly posts I can read so often is what makes stays here on FR so pleasant, despite all the (natural) anger. :-)
41 posted on 01/10/2004 8:26:05 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Yes, it was a narrow victory for English. Rumors state that it was one-vote majority, and just because a German-speaking delegate was late because of the bad weather.

Re: bashing
Those people still thinking of the "either with us..." should keep in mind that Iraq is not all - and think of the support in the other parts of the war on terrorism.
42 posted on 01/10/2004 8:28:45 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: M-cubed
It's about time!!...should have been started on a small scale years ago..we'd be out of there now

LOL, actually it was started on a massive scale in 1991 by President Bush. Over a period of years we basically reduced our presence in Germany by 2/3. For guys like me who wanted to stay in Germany, it was quite difficult to make that happen sometimes. You'd wind up taking a lot of odd assignments (like guarding the port in Antwerp, Belgium) in order to stay past your PCS or in exchange for orders to the right place in Germany. (LOL, it wouldn't do to go to all that trouble to stay and then wind up non-deployable in Hohenfels. Some stations were definitely better than others.)

This is the logical outcome of the end of the Cold War and the Draw Down.

43 posted on 01/10/2004 8:58:13 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: VeniVidiVici
Ironic, isn't it? The coming decade could bring Europe closer to a conflict

I am just watching out of curiosity to see how this marriage will unravel. Of course when it does we will all be sucked into the whirlpool. As usual.

44 posted on 01/10/2004 11:16:56 AM PST by RightWhale (How many technological objections will be raised?)
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To: Prodigal Son
I am actually in agreement with Schroeder and Chiraq. They should have a Franco-German-Belgien Defense force. It is time the US comes out of Germany and Belgium since our mission is no longer prevalent.
It would also save a lot of money and the troops could be used more effectively.
Of course, there may be the argument: "But we don't have the money to do this". Well, do what you do best, invent a new tax, called defense taxes?
45 posted on 01/10/2004 3:31:13 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: Michael81Dus
Actually, I don´t think that anyone would bother if we´d chose to build up nukes on our own (or buy some American-made). There´s a trust in Germany that we pose no threat to anyone...

I'm sure many nations do feel that way, Michael. But I'm also pretty sure that Poland and, especially, Russia, would not like a nuclear Germany.

I like Germany and the German people. I lived in Augsburg for three years and Berlin for four. The Bavarians and the Berliners, as a whole, were very appreciative of the American presence.

The SPD and the Watermelons can go pound sand, but they were the only bad thing :-)

46 posted on 01/10/2004 9:16:49 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
The SPD and the Watermelons can go pound sand, but they were the only bad thing :-)

LOL!

I think Russia has no saying regarding nuclear weapons for Germany. Granted, it´s speculation, but Poland and Germany have good relations, even since we actively supported the admission to NATO and EU. And I can imagine a buildup of nukes in a European defense strategy (as part of the NATO-strategy), so that everyone knows we would not threaten our neighbours. After all, this is very unlikely, because I cannot think of a situation that D.C. revokes its security guarantee - and of a country that would launch NBC-weapons against a member of NATO.

But now that I think about it: it was Kohl why we have excellent relations with our neighbours. Schröder actually only deteriorates it all.

Thanks for having contributed to my security!

Michael

47 posted on 01/11/2004 12:37:43 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Nukes would never work in Germany.
The populous (peacenicks) would be up in arms. They are going to shut down their nuclear energy reactors because of the greens. They protest when material is moved through the country. You would see demonstrations that would make the ones in the eighties look like gatherings.
By the way,Energy will become very expensive in Germany.
I always say let the demonstrators tke the nuke waste home and store it under their bed, they may like glowing during their favorite pasttime? It doesn't evn make any sense at all. I saw it in the '80s, I was there.
48 posted on 01/11/2004 7:32:59 AM PST by americanbychoice
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To: americanbychoice
I´m sure that protests would happen, but I´m also sure that the politicians here would agree to build up nukes in case of a revoke of the US sec. guarantee. Well, it´s all speculation, but the CDU/CSU/FDP would never allow us to exist without nuclear deterrence.
49 posted on 01/11/2004 11:39:34 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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