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Bill would forbid illegals to bear arms
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | Jan 7, 2004 | Christina Bellantoni

Posted on 01/09/2004 3:36:08 PM PST by neverdem

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A Virginia lawmaker is drafting a bill that would prohibit illegal immigrants from carrying a gun, a move that toughens a law that he says allows potential terrorists and drug dealers to roam free.

Delegate Thomas C. Wright Jr., Victoria Republican, said current law allows illegal aliens to carry any guns except assault weapons. He said his bill will give police new authority when trying to crack down on terrorism and drug trafficking.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bang; banglist; firearmpossession; guncontrol; illegalaliens; immigrantlist
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It will probably be OK once they are recognized under GWB's Guest Worker Program. But what happens after three years and they don't get a renewal, but must be deported. Mexico doesn't recognize a right to self-defense with privately owned handguns and forbids private ownership of handguns. Will we then have to give them amnesty? I think W might give them amnesty because he's such a strong defender of the Second Amendment.
1 posted on 01/09/2004 3:36:08 PM PST by neverdem
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2 posted on 01/09/2004 3:38:21 PM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: neverdem
The ACLU may discover the 2nd amendment, too, for this case.
3 posted on 01/09/2004 3:39:21 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: rightwingcrazy
The ACLU may discover the 2nd amendment, too, for this case.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't stop States from prohibiting firearms to convicted Felons, but until someone has been tried and convicted of illegal entry I don't see how this can work.

So9

4 posted on 01/09/2004 3:45:14 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: neverdem

I get a bad feeling about this.

Any new gun laws give me the heebie jeebies, and it wouldn't take much for it to be used on the rest of us.


5 posted on 01/09/2004 3:47:00 PM PST by Eris
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To: neverdem
Another feeling good law. If they are here illegal they well get one on the black market. It is allready against the law for them to have one.I do not trust people who say they are pro 2nd then want to pass laws restricting guns.
6 posted on 01/09/2004 3:47:45 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: neverdem
I guess I'm just "old-school". To me an armed non-citizen in my country is not to be tolerated. In fact such an act could be interpreted as an act of War.
7 posted on 01/09/2004 3:50:34 PM PST by Spruce
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To: gubamyster
ping
8 posted on 01/09/2004 3:55:46 PM PST by Klickitat
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To: neverdem
Shouldn't we just make it illegal for illegals to be in the country?
9 posted on 01/09/2004 4:01:19 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: neverdem
Shouldn't we just make it illegal for illegals to be in the country?
10 posted on 01/09/2004 4:01:21 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; Joe Brower
Pols and their bills BANG
11 posted on 01/09/2004 4:04:41 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Eris
I'm with you. I've been screaming bloody murder about this insane illegal pandering, but nothing on this earth could cause me to want to leave an honest person without a means to defend himself and his family.

They may not have full constitutional rights but we shouldn't take away their HUMAN rights.

12 posted on 01/09/2004 4:05:08 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Spruce
I guess I'm just "old-school". To me an armed non-citizen in my country is not to be tolerated. In fact such an act could be interpreted as an act of War.

I'm with you. Who could possibly be against preventing armed foreign nationals on our soil?

13 posted on 01/09/2004 4:06:09 PM PST by mylife
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To: inquest
Shouldn't we just make it illegal for illegals to be in the country?

I thought that was already the case.

14 posted on 01/09/2004 4:06:54 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
I think W might give them amnesty because he's such a strong defender of the Second Amendment.

W a "strong defender of the Second Amendment"?

That's a huge stinky and steaming pile of horsecrap. Nice try though.

15 posted on 01/09/2004 4:07:06 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: neverdem
You can't get a CCW permit if you are illegal. You should not be able to buy a gun under any legal circumstance. This is a red herring and already here.

This seems to go with the recent news stories trying to link terrorism with private gun ownership.

These are the same people who rail against profiles and 4th amendment rights under the patriot act BUT if it is about some scheme to legitimize taking guns from lawful citizens, its "what constitution?"
16 posted on 01/09/2004 4:07:28 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AAABEST

That's what was bothering me about this - well said.

They don't have citizenship rights and they should be deported, but if the law is going to wink at their presence, then they do have their God-given rights to defend themselves from aggression.

And given so many work under the table and are paid cash - leaving them unarmed makes them juicy targets.

Well said, AAABest.
17 posted on 01/09/2004 4:10:29 PM PST by Eris
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To: AAABEST
actually the shift to an affirmation of the 2nd guaranteeing INDIVIDUAL rights is a good step. I know of a few law professors who were FURIOUS over the notion. They said it undermined their ability to educate studens to the militia concept.

Under a president Gore or Hitlary, after 9/11 their first move would have been to suspend the second amendment and then launch intensive fact finding committees to determine who was responsible for the remaining 8 years.
18 posted on 01/09/2004 4:12:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: neverdem
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19 posted on 01/09/2004 4:14:03 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: rightwingcrazy
The 2nd Amendment talks about the "right of the people" to bear arms, not the right of American citizens to bear arms. Thus illegals here enjoy the right to bear arms. Just as, e.g., they enjoy 1st Amendment rights, 4th Amendment rights, etc.

We can boot them out at our discretion, but if we allow them here, the Bill of Rights gives them...rights.
20 posted on 01/09/2004 4:16:20 PM PST by BCrago66
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