IOWA: Tide of Second Thoughts Rises Among Democrats

NY Times ^ | January 9, 2004 | ADAM NAGOURNEY and CARL HULSE

[Pharmboy]

Boy, when the Times decides to go after someone, they're unrelenting (but we knew that, didn't we?) They must have gotten their call from the Clintons just about 2 weeks ago.

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[goldstategop]

Democrats know Nikita Dean hasn't got a prayer. He looks like an angry Jimmy Cartuh - with a scowl instead of a smile along with his sleeves rolled up every time he appears on TV. And its turning people off.

[hellinahandcart]

with his sleeves rolled up every time he appears on TV

Yeah, what's up with that?

We know he's not getting ready to do a load of dishes, so he must be trying to send that "I'm ready to work for YOU!" message or something.

Whattaphony...

[doosee]

Even some of the hardcore Dem activists openly admit none of these people can beat Bush. Amazing the Times chose to print that..

[woofer]

"I like Gephardt because I think he is a labor man," Wilma Hansen, a retired worker at the Maytag plant, which has its headquarters in Newton, said as she ate at the Maid-Rite diner.

Bleech! Loose meat sandwiches. You gotta bring a Dust-Buster along if you eat one of those.

Gephardt, a Labor Man? He's one now, mostly. If the AFL-CIO and their member associations ever cut off his funding, he'll revert to what he was at the beginning of his political career, a not-so Labor Man like his Dad and his brother, both were and are Republicans.

Gephardt likes to tell the story about how his Dad was a Union Man, delivering milk in St. Louis early every morning. Gephardt's brother, on the other hand, tells how his father hated that job and despised the Teamsters Union he was forced to join when he took it. Gephardt's Dad took the Milkman job whilst between gigs and stayed on only long enough (about six months) until he got another job selling real estate and insurance. Gephardt says he recalls his Dad constantly telling his kids how great the Teamsters were, while Gephardt's brother can only recall his Dad complaining about the dues that were sucked out of his paycheck in a closed shop job.

[ctonious]

Yet the concerns voiced in interviews come during a rough month for Dr. Dean: what his own aides have described as political missteps — such as saying that the capture of Saddam Hussein had not made the United States safer

Is there even a smidgeon of impartiality left at the New York Times? These charlatans are so intent on carrying Shrillary's water, that they "stoop" to charging Dean with saying the same things they themselves babbled during the leadup to the Iraqi war.

There are no principles nor consistent philosophies guiding the Left. It is all just naked Machiavellian strategy and ruses to scarf power, any way they can get it.

[leprechaun9]

IOWA = 7 electoral votes
New Hamshire = 4 electoral votes

These few votes have infected the country with a huge wave of air pollution from 9 pimps of the election industry. And NO ONE GETS ELECTED TO ANY OFFICE FROM THE PROCESS!

The choice of a candidate for the General Election (where bodies are selected for office) from each political party is a private matter! Thus far, the PRESIDENTAIL ELECTION FUND (i.e., the 1040 check-off) has disbursed over $28 million tax payer dollars for this election cycle! The expectation is that more than $250 million will be taken from the tax payers throught the 2004 election.

It is also important to note that ONLY 11% of the tax payers opted to contribute to this fund. That is why the Congress is starting to discuss raising the check-off again as they did in 1993 ($1 to $3). How much will they raise it to this time, $5, $10, $100?

The tax payer participation has decreased every year since the inception of the program, from a high of 28% to the present 11%. This is insanity and why doesn't the media discuss this? Probably because they (the media) are the recipients of the bulk of the money!

[I_dmc]

Hadn't thought about this. How sick are Dems gonna be of election politics by Nov?

[shteebo]

Ms. Nading said. "It is fracturing the party and making Democrats look like we're dervishes."

Interesting choice of words...the dictionary definition of "dervish" is:

1. A member of any of various Muslim ascetic orders, some of which perform whirling dances and vigorous chanting as acts of ecstatic devotion.

2. One that possesses abundant, often frenzied energy: “ [She] is a dervish of unfocused energy, an accident about to happen” (Jane Gross).

[Leroy S. Mort]

Even some of the hardcore Dem activists openly admit none of these people can beat Bush. Amazing the Times chose to print that..

Not at all surprising. All they're doing is setting up Hillary as the "Joan of Arc" who can save the Democrat Party from itself. It's all in the plan.

[capt. norm]

Looks like the Times is doing their part to push Dean aside for the Clinton candidate (Clark) as they dutifully sow seeds of doubt about his candidacy.

The Clinton plan is being executed a little more openly now.

This is getting interesting.

[shteebo]

I don't think so in 2004. The last thing Hillary wants is to run and lose. She'd much rather run against an "untested" opponent in 2008. I believe Gore is thinking about 2008 too. It would be fascinating to watch Hillary and Gore try to cut each other to ribbons while declaring their "mutual respect".

[goldstategop]

They hate each other's guts. They endorsed different candidates and both want to control the party. In the end one of the going to come out the winner.

[TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa]

Hmm. Doesn't it bother anyone that he's crazy?

[AnAmericanMother]

The dervishes wish to register a complaint . . .

[Pharmboy]

Thanks for that interesting info on Gephardt...how come Dan Rather hasn't reported this? (snicker)

[Pharmboy]

Is there even a smidgeon of impartiality left at the New York Times? These charlatans are so intent on carrying Shrillary's water, that they "stoop" to charging Dean with saying the same things they themselves babbled during the leadup to the Iraqi war.

Excellent point. They are TRULY shameless.

[Leroy S. Mort]

The last thing Hillary wants is to run and lose.

That was my thinking too, until I saw the polls showing Rudy Guiliani leading her already for the NY Senate run in '06. She may figure what the hell, retaining control of the national party apparatus and at least making a strong showing in '04 is better than running as a defeated Senator in '08.

[.cnI redruM]

Gee, doesn't it make you sad? CLintons are bad people, but they are just swindlers, waghalters and duplicitous cheats. Howard Dean is a nut-case. He really remains a true believer in The Gospel According to Saint Marx.

He really thinks the US should have a single-payer health care system and that The Sherman Anti-Trust Act is a legitimate way to take down media organizations that oppose his point of view. His willingness to threaten non-compliant media outlets with Anti-Trust litigation, based on their ideological beliefs, is what I think made so many newspapers turn on him.