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I have to agree with you a little on this. My wife and I wanted to put siding on our house. After much searching we finally found a guy to come give us an estimate. He did siding and he bowled in our leage. Before he came over, my wife found another guy who did siding. He came and gave us a quick estimate. The guy in our league tried to cheat us with an overpriced estimate. We finally went with one guy who sub-contracted it out to four guys - a Korean (the foreman) and three hispanics. My wife wanted to know how the American called talk to the Korean. I wanted to know how the Korean spoke to the three Hispanics. Anyway, they came and did our house - a big house - in less then six hours. Great work.

Several things.

One - regardless of your position on illegals and legals, we do have tons of people coming over here that want to work. Not just Hispanics but cab drivers, convenience stores, street vendors, the list goes on.

Two - we have a segment of society that does not want to work. My last Navy command at TelCom in DC, I was upset because the galley would be closed more often than open. When I spoke to the LT running the show, he said his hands were tied. He had a group of people making minimum wage that could make more on welfare. He could not discipline them because there already was a EO suit against the prior LT. I am going to say it right now and get flamed! These people working in the galley were black. The segment of society that collects welfare - the majority of them are black. You may think I am a racist but I would rather have the brown people here in this country working than those blacks living off of welfare and not working.

My point is that I am all for people coming into this country and working, but somehow, someway, we have to stop this welfare crap. We - as a country - cannot afford to pay people under the table while our money goes to people not working. We are getting slammed two ways!

Three - I agree with Rush concerning Bush. I said that to myself the first day. He - Bush - is not issuing an edict or EO but putting it out there for debate. And I agree with Dane that we need to talk this out with our Congress critters. That leads me to -

Fourth - the wrong argument about immigration is being argued. It should not be about who wants to work and he doesn't. We got sucked into that by the Dems. What it should be about is protecting the nation. The reason we have legal immigration is to control what comes into the country - diseases, plant life, animal life, etc. Things like maleria and other diseases are gaining a foothold again in this country not just because we do not use DTD but because people - who are not checked at the border - are bringing it in. We need to write our Congress critters and tell them this is why we want legal immigration enforced!

and finally - we - my wife and I - have a large amount of property that has gotten away from us. We are thinking about bringing in workers from the corner to clear it out. It may cost us 15 or so an hour, but I know it will be done in one day.

The government can not prevent Mexican men from comming to America to work as long as this is the only way they can feed their families and as long as we desperately need their labor.

People who ignore these facts are burying their heads in the sand.

President Bush's proposals seem like a reasonable way to address some of the problems associated with the "illegal" nature of this labor market.

Welfare reform has trimmed the rolls substantially, and removed the perpetual aspects for those able-bodied people, so it's becoming less and less of an issue.