Rush: Like It or Not, Bush Leads

Rush Limbaugh ^ | January 8, 2004 | Rush Limbaugh

[KC_Conspirator]

This is a lie - there is no substance to this nor is it leadership.

After hearing Rush today (I had to turn him off) and reading this tonight, its a sure thing that Rush is nothing but Bush-flunkie, a kool-aid drinker who will say anything to defend him. All he had to do was say that this was politically motivated to get hispanic votes and keep business donations coming in. At least thats honest. In fact, that is exactly how Hannity calls it and I have much more respect than the Bush-fellating Rushbo.

[LeftyStomper]

jimlumpit Since Jan 9, 2004

Just get here?

[Cultural Jihad]

Problem solved! Whew!

[ConservativeMan55]

He didn't even stay long enough for the complementary breakfast either? :(

[brianl703]

I'm not opposed to paying a little extra to get what I want.

[twntaipan]

FWIW, I think the intention is to resolve two issues--the matter of those who have already illegally entered the country, and preparing to make substantive and significant changes to policy for future illegal immigrants. When you look at the US-VISIT matter of fingerprinting all those coming with visas, I have to believe the president is making deliberate steps to make it more difficult to come in to the USA. The next step will be some sort of increased border protection. Flame away!

[jrawk]

Kudos! I like your arguments.

Well there is Cheap and then there is Less Expensive. Even after legalizing this work force I don't see the prices rising greatly.

Black Markets are great at setting prices, but they have inherent supply problems, and inefficiencies. (deportation... anyone?) Here is where I become un-popular quick in Xenophobic Republican circles. A stable environment for immigrant labor will increas supply. This will spur competition and further stratify price and quality.

I am in this battle now with my own job. They are shipping these programming jobs to India in greater numbers. So I improve daily! I am succeeding! It makes me stronger! Many of my co-workers have found other fields. To be honest, they, the businesses they went to and the entire field are better off because of it.

Absolutely on your second point as well!

I and scores of Mexicans working here in the U.S. agree with you that they would rather be working in Mexico if corruption, stability, economy all improved.

That adds another dimension to this issue. Many of the immigrants are here for the work. They aren't even interested in naturalization. They would rather be in Mexico. Which is why Bush has proposed this as a temporary worker program.

I definitely think it does not solve deep issues, but is a step in the right direction, helps the party, the country, and the immgrant workers while we work on those. Sounds like a vote for Bush from me!

And now I must write more code to keep up with my Indian friends! Great Discussion!

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-- jrawk

[Victoria Delsoul]

There is no blanket amnesty here, and there is no blanket citizenship here, folks. All there is, as I said yesterday, is hope. All there is some opportunities for some of these people. But it is not a blanket amnesty, and it is not granting illegals automatic citizenship or legal status right off the bat in mass in toto.

I like the sound of this. Thanks for the ping.

[rmmcdaniell]

Would a president be able to survive if he deported all illegals?

I'm fuming mad at Bush not because he won't deport the ones that are already here, but because this plan will ecourage further violations of the laws and no provisions are being made to prevent further illegal immigration in the future!!

Its somewhat understandable for a father who catches his children playing with a knife to just take the knife away, give his children a talk, and send them on thier way without punishment. It would be criminally irresponsible to allow the children to keep the knife.

If its impossible to deport the illegals and only choice is to legalize them, then the goverment must make our borders secure. If not, the president's proposal will be the bait that brings an invasion the likes of which have never been seen before. Kiss America goobye.

[jrawk]

That's simple, get rid of the welfare programs.

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-- jrawk

[sarcasm]

Get rid of illegals too.

[ConservativeMan55]

No Problem. :)

[raybbr]

You were willing to pay an hispanic man, who is probably illegal $15/hr, and your neighbors kid $8/hr. Why didn't you offer the kid more? Your logic is totally flawed.

[futureceo31]

and where did this come from?

[sarcasm]

Immigration From Mexico
Assessing the Impact on the United States

[sinkspur]

Get rid of illegals too.

Can't. Nobody's gonna deport 10 million people. Ain't gonna happen. Ever.

With that in mind, Bush's plan is a starting point.

Your plan is a non-starter.

[goldstategop]

President Bush may be trying to take the sails out of the Democrats' wind here - if you take the politics into account. The Democrats say it isn't enough. Conservatives say its too much. So for voters in the middle, who ultimately decide elections, it sounds about right. It doesn't matter to Karl Rove if this plan ever sees the light of day - all the voters need to see is President Bush sounds like a leader prepared to take big risks to do what he believes is right, regardless of the politics. And the Democrats' reaction shows who is playing politics with illegal immigration. President Bush make them look like the dwarfs they and they know it. No, I don't agree at all with the substance of the President's plan, but as for putting it out there and letting the Democrats appear as extreme, its a political masterstroke. The Bush strategery has left the other party flummoxed again.

[sarcasm]

Bush's plan is a starting point.

Yep, he's starting the surrender of the United States to Mexico - not a shot being fired.

[raybbr]

I saw a video where Gov. Bush claimed he didn't even know what chain migration was. I wish I could find for you. If I do I will link it.