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To: Burkeman1; Dane
The Soviets managed to keep their people from escaping that country over the longest border in the world for a hell of lot less than 100 billion a year.

Yeah. You ready for how they did it? They made the countries around them into "buffer states" with Communist governments just as oppressive as the USSR's.

55 posted on 01/08/2004 4:51:39 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
Good Point.
59 posted on 01/08/2004 4:53:51 PM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: Poohbah
Yeah. You ready for how they did it? They made the countries around them into "buffer states" with Communist governments just as oppressive as the USSR's.

Here's the real issue, Poohbah. The longer you put off dealing with a problem, the harder it gets to actually confront it-and we've seen that with both illegal immigration and terrorism. The Reagan amnesty was basically an attempt to deal with the problem of illegal immigration by wishing it away. However, when you reward illegal behavior, you tend to get a lot more of it. So now we have several million illegal immigrants and an entire undergound economy around that population.

However, if we choose to not deal with this problem now, it will probably be impossible to deal with it later - we're extremely close to the point of critical mass when it comes to illegal immigration. We can't build a wall that will keep out everyone, but we can build a wall that will make it that much harder to come here. We can't stop employers from hiring illegals, but we can make examples of those caught doing such. But trying to once again deal with illegal immigration by legalizing or rewarding it is abject surrender.

67 posted on 01/08/2004 4:59:23 PM PST by dirtboy (Howard Dean - all bike and no path)
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To: Poohbah
Yeah. You ready for how they did it? They made the countries around them into "buffer states" with Communist governments just as oppressive as the USSR's.

Here's the real issue, Poohbah. The longer you put off dealing with a problem, the harder it gets to actually confront it-and we've seen that with both illegal immigration and terrorism. The Reagan amnesty was basically an attempt to deal with the problem of illegal immigration by wishing it away. However, when you reward illegal behavior, you tend to get a lot more of it. So now we have several million illegal immigrants and an entire undergound economy around that population.

However, if we choose to not deal with this problem now, it will probably be impossible to deal with it later - we're extremely close to the point of critical mass when it comes to illegal immigration. We can't build a wall that will keep out everyone, but we can build a wall that will make it that much harder to come here. We can't stop employers from hiring illegals, but we can make examples of those caught doing such.

No proposal of and by itself is going to end illegal immigration. But trying to once again deal with illegal immigration by legalizing or rewarding it is abject surrender.

71 posted on 01/08/2004 5:00:57 PM PST by dirtboy (Howard Dean - all bike and no path)
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