DUMPING CONSERVATIVES AT THE BORDER

Laura's Weekly E-Blast ^ | 1/8/2004 | LAURA INGRAHAM

[Joe Hadenuf]

Stop...you're killing me! "Illegal aliens can't vote to begin with"....

LOL! There were several people in my office when that was posted. After our belly laugh, there was just shaking of heads....

[Joe Hadenuf]

"Now I know the definition of “compassionate conservative:” a person who campaigns as a conservative, then sells out key conservative principles."

That's what it's boiled down to.

[jaugust]

It's almost like this administration is living on an island someplace. Are they totally oblivious to what their core constituency is saying? Are they really in the USA or are they presiding over the country from someplace else?

[Happy2BMe]

"If these are solely conservative issues, then what the hell do you non-conservative Republicans stand for?" Answer: Non-conservative Republican =

RINO

And what to RINOs do best?

D-I-V-I-D-E

[blueriver]

Average joe-six-pack at the manufacturing plant , or building those new homes, or building that new bridge , or driving that semi-truck, etc....now has a target on his back.

You can add a lot more jobs to the list, such as accounting, engineering, teaching, nursing, .... on and on.

[ImpBill]

Be my guest. The more people start referring to the GOP as the ModerRat Party the quicker the power brokers might get the idea that the rank and file and not real pleased with the only viable alternative to DemocRATs.

[ImpBill]

Excellent definition of the GOP these days. I like the term Mod-er-RATs and CINO (Conservative In Name Only).

[Choose Ye This Day]

Laura's not new to the issue. She's the one who turned me around on the illegal immigration danger. I was a true see-no-evil Bushbot until I started realizing (1) the depressing effects illegals were *already* having on low-skill wages, and (2) the horrific potential ramifications of more Islamofascist terrorists taking advantage of our anemic immigration controls.

Ingraham has a great chapter in "Shut Up and Sing" on the Open Border Elites.

[ImpBill]

..."merely underline the fact that we conservatives have done very little for him ..."

Let's see; many of us supported him (GW Bush) with both our votes and contributions last time around, believing he would represent core Constitutional conservative values.

I don't live with my head in the sand and understand that the President is the President of all the American people and not just those that sent him to office, but his domestic agenda with a few exceptions that you have enumerated is troubling to say the least.

Don't get me wrong, this coming November I will again cast my ballot for GW Bush, as given the alternative, with the present global situation, he indeed is the right man, at the right time, for the right job.

But I don't have to be a member of the Amen corner around here at FR to do so.

What is really bothersome to me on a Conservative web forum is that when those of us who are not enamored with his domestic agenda freely speak our minds on the subject we are heaped with scorn, called DU implants, ingrates and worse.

Compassionate Conservatism is neither compassionate nor conservative. It is middle of the road pandering for votes.

Not anywhere close to leadership. Our President has out triangulated the original triangulator.

[kevao]

Uh-huh. So, you're now spending gazillions of dollars AND doing so for extremely intrusive law enforcement not based on probable cause.

$100 billion a year is hardly gazillions. Last year, the Congress spent $33 billion on pork projects alone. Revisit that obscene Farm Bill of 2002, and you could easily come up with another $70 billion per year.

What is intrusive about law enforcement officials entering a place of business to check whether employees are legal? Government inspectors enter businesses all the time.

Posse Comitatus Act.

Posse Comitatus limits the use of the military for LAW ENFORCEMENT. It is quite in line with the Posse Comitatus Act for the military to patrol our borders and protect them from invasions, in this case an invasion of illegal immigrants.

Or is it your contention that if a hostile military ever attacked our homeland, the invasion would have to be repulsed by the sheriff's department?

[Poohbah]

What is intrusive about law enforcement officials entering a place of business to check whether employees are legal? Government inspectors enter businesses all the time.

And, in general, conservatives want a lot LESS of that, remember? We insist on things like "probable cause" and "search warrants," remember?

Posse Comitatus limits the use of the military for LAW ENFORCEMENT.

What's the term again? ILLEGAL immigration? Does that not imply that ENFORCING the LAWS against illegal immigration is LAW ENFORCEMENT?

It is quite in line with the Posse Comitatus Act for the military to patrol our borders and protect them from invasions, in this case an invasion of illegal immigrants.

Or is it your contention that if a hostile military ever attacked our homeland, the invasion would have to be repulsed by the sheriff's department?

Please explain which "hostile military" the illegal aliens belong to.

You've managed to argue both sides at once, AND lose both arguments at once.

[jpsb]

Ok, you're right it is not possible to protect our border, not possible to punish employers of illegals and of course we can deport them either. Sounds like we all need to learn how to speak Mexican and practice living 5 or 6 to a room.

Welcome to Azland

[kevao]

Conservatives want LESS law enforcement?

Probable cause and search warrants to check the legal status of workers?

The military can protect our border ONLY if a hostile military violates the border?

Yes, I can see how in your eyes I have lost this argument. Very well done!

[Poohbah]

Ok, you're right it is not possible to protect our border, not possible to punish employers of illegals and of course we can deport them either.

You've missed the point. What you want done, and what CAN be accomplished, are two very different things.

Sounds like we all need to learn how to speak Mexican and practice living 5 or 6 to a room.

No, it sounds like you need to THINK. I know that is probably difficult, but DO try to do it, lad. You might better yourself if you don't have a stroke. Bottom line: you need to think of a solution that can actually be implemented--that will not have the American public screaming bloody murder about inconvenience to them, personally, hat will not have the American public screaming bloody murder about the price tag, and that will actually work.

So, unless you're willing to think seriously about solving this problem that you view as being extremely important...why should anyone who puts it on a lower priority than you take your complaints seriously?

[Poohbah]

Conservatives want LESS law enforcement?

OK, do you want every gun control law enforced?

Probable cause and search warrants to check the legal status of workers?

That was the standard for any federal law enforcement entry into one's private property for many years, until the federal government expanded the concept of "interstate commerce" to a ridiculous degree. Now you absolutely ACHE for that sort of thing. Not very conservative of you, really.

The military can protect our border ONLY if a hostile military violates the border?

If you have a complaint about the Posse Comitatus Act, take it up with the folks who enacted it into law.

[Happy2BMe]

The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of military participation in guarding United States borders?

Does that apply to the Coast Guard?

[Poohbah]

The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of military participation in guarding United States borders?

Does that apply to the Coast Guard?

The Coast Guard is descended from the Revenue Cutter Service, and has a different set of laws. However, its authority ends at the end of the navigable waterway.

[kevao]

If you have a complaint about the Posse Comitatus Act, take it up with the folks who enacted it into law.

Then tell me, whenever Bush scrambles a couple of Air Force fighters to shadow an airliner suspected of having a terrorist on board, is that a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act?

[jpsb]

Do two things and you will end the problem, punish and I mean really punish employers that employ illegals and deny illegals socail services (not emergency medical). My two cents and there is no damn reason these two things can't be done.

[Poohbah]

Then tell me, whenever Bush scrambles a couple of Air Force fighters to shadow an airliner suspected of having a terrorist on board, is that a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act?

Yes, if it's not done in the way Congress has provided for elsewhere in US law regarding national defense.

As I pointed out, your complaint is with Congress. Thank you very much for demonstrating an abject inability to read.