Bolting for Bush

Forward ^ | 1/9/04 | EDWARD I. KOCH

[Wolfstar]

There's not a chance that Hizzonner is simply acting as a mouth-piece for the Clinton Machine...

Whether he is or not, he happens to be telling the truth in this article. There isn't a current Leftist/Dem candidate, or even one on the horizon (HRC), who can be trusted with our national security. I know '08 will be up for grabs, although I doubt any better Dem will come along by then. But certainly in '04, the American people would have to be suicidal — to say nothing of being completely ungrateful for all he's done to protect us since 9-11 — to do anything but re-elect our Dubya.

I say this knowing full well that tens of millions of Americans will vote for the Dem no matter who their candidate is — and about a million or so will vote for one of the minor parties. It's going to be up to those of us who do understand that the most important political divide of our times is not Left/Right, Dem/Rep, but pre/post 9-11, to work very, very hard to re-elect this President.

[Wolfstar]

Actually, the Left's philosophy is: "The state is superior to the individual, owns all property, and takes care of everybody." The Right's philosophy is "The individual is superior to the state, which respects and protects private property. Private chartities or local governmental institutions can often do a better social-services job than the state, which is prepared to step in when needed."

[Wolfstar]

If only there were a few more sensible democrats out there.

If only there were a few more sensible FReepers out there.

[Wolfstar]

Meaning no disrespect to you as a person, but your post is one of the silliest I've read here in quite awhile. Quite apart from the fact that there are some very, very conservative members of Congress filling that "position," you claim is empty, President Bush's overall record shows that he has done a mixture of things ranging from the very conservative to what in today's America is considered "centrist" or "moderate." One thing he most definitely and resoundingly is not is a "liberal," meaning of the Left.

To take just the one issue that's been in the news the last couple of days, immigration reform, Dubya's proposals are tame and very moderate when compared to the then-radical, first-time-in-history blanket amnesty of conservative icon, President Ronald Reagan. Had FR been around in 1986, the same people on FR who claim to see him as a hero today would then have been just as virulently angry at him — and would have called him a "liberal."

[Right_in_Virginia]

BTTT

[dawn53]

If only there were a few more sensible democrats out there.
If only there were a few more sensible FReepers out there

LOL!

Guess I read at least 50 (hey maybe 100) posts today from Freepers who said they'd never vote for Bush because of his domestic policy.

I wouldn't have believed Koch's definition of the Republicans - the bit about we made it so you should be able to also - was really true until I read today's threads.

Post after post exhorting the "illegals" to "do it legally", when I had first hand knowledge (my husband was a Canadian before he became naturalized) of the insurmountable obstacles that would be facing an uneducated, perhaps illiterate, person who was trying to enter this country legitimately.

It definitely reflected the "we made it, so you should too" attitude, except most posters really had no knowledge of what they were saying, since they had never had to deal with the INS and the paperwork/procedures involved in trying to enter this country legally.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Yes, I agree with your philosophies. I would modify your Left philosophy statement to: "The state is superior to the individual in killing tens of millions of people in the last century, ..."

I am just (still) trying to understand why there are so many people who call themselves Democrats and would NEVER consider voting for a Republican. Even if in their personal lives they live like a conservative.

Of course, on the flip side, I currently would not vote for a Democrat at all.

[FreeAtlanta]

The funny thing is that conservatives tend to be very generous with time and money, they just don't like having it taken from them and redistributed without their input.

We also like to have people help themselves. It is a Christian philosophy echoed in "Teach a man to fish..." I am surprised that so many blacks who are deeply religious, don't see this and connect with us.

[winner3000]

(Our philosophy is: "If you need a helping hand, we will provide it." The Republican Party's philosophy, on the other hand, can be summed up as: "If I made it on my own, you will have to do the same.")

Actually, the Conservative philosophy is: We will provide you every freedom and every tool and incentive to improve yourself enough to make it on your own. The Liberal philosophy is: We feel much better when we help you regardless of the end result.

[Uncle Miltie]

One thing he most definitely and resoundingly is not is a "liberal," meaning of the Left.

Only in comparison to what the Democrats want is a $2,000,000,000,000.00 new entitlement not Liberal.