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To: moondoggie
There is no way that the United States can find and deport 8-12 million illegal aliens in this country, and even if we could, we would do more harm than good.

She's right. She could have also added that President Bush didn't create this problem so the question to ask is...."Wny are so many Repubs blaming him for it"?

This argument is apparently the most widespread among those supporting this legislation, and it is also the most specious. The supposition is that because we have created a massive illegal immigration problem by not enforcing the laws, we therefore have no alternative but to "fuggedaboutit." The argument's also predicated on an emotional appeal: all those who oppose amnesty are therefore advocating massive deportation.

Both of these arguments are false. In the first case, we are abdicating responsibility for a massive problem because our lawmakers do not have the political will to fix it, not because it's unfixable. In the second case, even immigration reform advocates such as Tancredo are not advocating massive deportation, but rather an orderly procedure that requires immigrants to qualify, individually, for time-limited work visas, based on criteria other than an employer's need for cheap labor. Certainly, this will take time and massive effort -- but, contrary to our massive efforts on the war on terror, our space exploration program and other incredibly complicated and expensive federally funded undertakings -- sensible immigration reform and enforcement of existing laws is somehow not "doable."

Bullfeathers.

To quote John Derbyshire, "We have no idea what is politically achievable until some politician tries to achieve it. In a democracy, that happens when enough people make enough noise banging on the politicians' doors." Apparently, the only people banging loud enough to be heard on this issue are Vincente Fox, businesses that rely on cheap exploitative labor, open border advocates and misguided Republican campaign strategists.

Your argument that Repubs are blaming Bush for creating the problem is also nonsensical. Those who object to this amnesty program are not blaming Bush for the original problem, but we are blaming him for repeated attempts at making the problem worse. If this legislation passes, we are likely to see a massive increase in both legal and illegal immigration as we signal the world most emphatically that there is no immigration law that can't be overcome by sheer force of numbers combined with our lack of political will.

107 posted on 01/08/2004 9:30:50 AM PST by browardchad
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To: browardchad
Those who object to this amnesty program are not blaming Bush for the original problem, but we are blaming him for repeated attempts at making the problem worse. If this legislation passes, we are likely to see a massive increase in both legal and illegal immigration as we signal the world most emphatically that there is no immigration law that can't be overcome by sheer force of numbers combined with our lack of political will. >>>>>>>

Excellant !!!

The only things NEW in GWB proposals (that haven't FAILED before) is the 3 yr. limit & lose your job, you go home.....LOL just birth an "Anchor Baby" & these won't apply to your deportation either.
313 posted on 01/08/2004 11:44:59 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: browardchad
I don't know if it's "doable" or not. I'm just another citizen with an opinion sitting here on my puter trying to figure it out like everyone else:-)

Isn't the requirement that immigrants be registured and be "sponsored"..ie:show proof of employment.. the way it "used" to be? Can you explain to me "how" it would increase immigration by forcing them to show proof of employment? Seems to me that would slow it down since many of them don't come here to work. I'm including Muslims who come in on those temporary visas "to get an education"

Don't you think there's "more" to this than just Mexicans?

Sign me..Dim bulb:-(

431 posted on 01/09/2004 8:01:44 AM PST by moondoggie
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