A red herring & irrelavent to the issue at hand as the power of Congress to tax is unquestionable and clearly enumerated in the Constitution. Constitution for the United States of America
Taxation is not the issue. Abuse of the taxing power is our subject.
You have not demonstrated that the government is running astray insofar as the income and payroll taxes are concerned. The power to levy and collect taxes on the individual by the national government is clear and incontestable, and has been from the very first tax case before the Supreme Court.
The abuse of power is self evident to all rational men.
Our only recourse is jury nullification..
False, as this is a Republic afterall and recource is to be had in the particular instance through the legislative process necessary to functioning under the Constitution.
Our legislative process is broken. Partisan politics rule. We lack viable recourse.
- And surprise! -- The selfsame people at FR who argue for prohibitions & insane tax codes , argue against nullification.
Since I do not see anyone arguing for prohibitions nor insane tax codes,
Look in the mirror, geezer.
your statement is a is more hot air, and calling for jury nullification of constitutional statutes merely because one is dissatisfied with the operation of that law with regard to themselves is merely self interest looking for another avenue of expression.
Whatever.. Your own brand of hot air grows irksome.
Yet they call thenselves conservatives. Go figure.
The operation and preservation of law as opposed arbitrary action of the individual is a conservative position. Arbitrary application of law and the whims of men is a value of the anarchist, not that of the conservative.
Your silly effort to brand me as an anarchist is refuted by my every post urging you to honor our constitution..
Give it up geezer.. Your ploy to baffle em with volumes of BS cites isn't working.. Put a cork in it.
Taxation is not the issue. Abuse of the taxing power is our subject.
You have not demonstrated abuse of authority to tax. You have only complained of the exercize of a power to collect taxes under the authority of Congess as enumerated in the Constitution.
As such no abuse exists within the statute you complain of.
The abuse of power is self evident to all rational men.
Exercise of a power enumerated in the Constitution is not an abuse of power. It is an exercise of authority granted to the government nothing more.
Our only recourse is jury nullification..
Article V amendent of the Constitution exists, by which the statutes may be prohibited;
Article I Legislative power exists to repeal or replace the statute in accord with the republican principals (representative government), you know, all that partisan politicing you complain of.
You so called only recouse is not justified for lack of moral right on which to stand, there is no right to not be taxed as the power to lay and collect a tax and to enact laws necessary and proper to that end is clearly with the authority granted the national government.
If there were no authority of government to lay and collect the tax, and government wrongfully were exercising such a power, then jury nullification could be justified in the absense of action by the legislature or the Courts. However, under the Constitution as it now exists there is no moral authority to act through nullification in this instance as the Congress clearly has the power to lay and collect the tax, and the executive branch the charge to execute that law.
Our legislative process is broken. Partisan politics rule.
The legislative process is the process of political rule. Nothing more nothing less. The 1st amend assures the right of association and petition of grievence fundamental to the process, partisan support is nothing more than the process by which the debate is carried forward and legislation and amendments are implimented.
We lack viable recourse.
You lack viable recourse, to impose your personal view upon the body of the electorate is what you really are crying about.
Your silly effort to brand me as an anarchist is refuted by my every post urging you to honor our constitution.
The primary person here not honoring the provisions of the Constitution is you. For the Constitution clearly has granted the authority to lay and collect taxes to the Congress. Contrary to anarchic your desire that it be otherwise.
Constitution for the United States of America:
- Article VI: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
- Article I Section 8: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; "
- Article I Section 8: "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."
Furthermore legislative and amendment processes, as well as legal process exists for addressing real legislative and exectutive abuse.
It happens that in the particlular instance of taxation it works against your personal interest, so now you cry for arbitrary intervention and lawless action to make you happy. Sorry but this is a nation of law, not the arbitrary desires of men.
You have the standard by which you may seek redress in the courts,
MCCRAY v. U S, 195 U.S. 27 (1904)
- "'But if what Congress does is within the limits of its power, and is simply unwise or injurious, the remedy is that suggested by Chief Justice Marshall in Gibbons v. Ogden [9 Wheat. 1, 6 L. ed. 23], when [195 U.S. 27, 56] he said: 'The wisdom and the discretion of Congress, their identity with the people, and the influence which their constituents possess at elections, are, in this, as in many other instances, as that, for example, of declaring war, the sole restraints on which they have relied, to secure them from its abuse. They are the restraints on which the people must often rely solely, in all representative governments."
- "Let us concede that if a case was presented where the abuse of the taxing power was so extreme as to be beyond the principles which we have previously stated, and where it was plain to the judicial mind that the power had been called into play, not for revenue, but solely for the purpose of destroying rights which could not be rightfully destroyed consistently with the principles of freedom and justice upon which the Constitution rests, that it would be the duty of the courts to say that such an arbitrary act was not merely an abuse of a delegated power, but was the exercise of an authority not conferred. "
Failing to meet that test you are only justified a change the law through argument and legislation or constitional amendment. You do not have the moral justification for any other action.
Your ploy to baffle em with volumes of BS cites isn't working..
LOL, you come here with nothing but person opininon and lack of any foundation for your views, calling anything contrary to your fantasy "volumes of BS cites"; Sorry personal opinion against the words of the constitution, the founders, and the institutions of government that constitution erects just does not fly.
Put a cork in it.
Silence opposition and that which is contrary to your personal views. So democratic of you.
Your words are nothing more than the pandering of the demogogue to emotion and self interest, they certainly are not supportable within the context of the constitution nor the words of the authors of that constitution.