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To: citizenx7
Wake up.

YET ANOTHER tax protester code word for: "Gosh, you're a dumb SOB! Why can't you be as smart as me? Why can't you see that you're in chains!!!!"

I don't know how I got to the age of 52 without the assistance of "We the People" and all of Schulz's books, and cassettes and other stuff he sells.

131 posted on 01/08/2004 9:58:02 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Well, you paid a great deal for your government education, I am only telling you, that you haven't learned the horrible lesson of history. Power leads to corruption, and the best we can do is be on guard, and call them on it, every time we can.

Open your mind to the possibility that the government line is not correct. I think that many of us are confused by the word twisting rhetoric of lawyers paid to do so. The 'codes' are not the law, they are the interpretation of the law. The law itself is (hopefully) a expression of the Constitution. But you have a mind, if government is not proceeding in accordance with the Constitution, then work to stop them!

This is the essence of a Free Republic.
137 posted on 01/08/2004 10:16:06 AM PST by citizenx7 ("The people...are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty!" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sinkspur
Sink, if you look at the facts of the case, you will see very simply that the government had what could arguably be a strong case if it was presented fairly. If it was presented as fact with law being cited and the rules of a fair and impartial judiciary. If they had presented that case, and won, they would have eliminated the "tax protester" movement once and for all, because they would have presented in open court their case. But, when you start to look at the way they went about it, and see that they did back-room deals, judge shopping and practiced judicial abuse, then you start to realize that they had no real case. The whole thing falls apart. So, since I don't buy Schulz's stuff, and you seem to have a personal vendetta against him, then how about you listen to someone who has the right dog in the fight. I don't like taxes any more than anyone else. I pay them. I put Under Protest on them in the vague hope that some day I may be able to get something back because I didn't quietly surrender my freedom. Our tax burden has become worse and worse each year. We get the occasional tax break, which is nice that they graciously allow us to have back a small pittance each year of what we earn.

There's a reason there's witholding. And it should be stopped. And if there's a violation of the constitution, they may stop it. The reason is simple. If every person who earned money had to send a check to the feds each week or month to give Caeser what is Caeser's, then there would be a revolt in about 6-10 weeks. If we could cut the costs of production by eliminating the income tax, we'd probably be able to break even with a 10-11% flat tax. That's much better, but still not good enough.

We need to eliminate the waste, fraud and abuse at all levels of government. And that doesn't come easy. It's "advanced citizenship". If we could eliminate 50% of the fraud, waste and abuse in 75% of the government, we'd probably be able to knock that 10-11% down to 1-2%. If we could eliminate 10% of the extra-constitutional government we could actually be past all the income tax. The problem is that it's ingrained and the attitude that they are the masters and we are the slaves runs very deep in government. And the abuses of this judge, the DOJ prosecutors and the IRS agents is just one more sign of a very corrupt, rotten to the core, government that needs major overhaul.

Paul
169 posted on 01/08/2004 11:53:42 AM PST by spacewarp (Visit the American Patriot Party and stay a while. http://www.patriotparty.us)
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