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Yes, the sooner they push us to the brink the better, then there will be at least some semblance of society left to react and pick up the pieces. This slow slide into fascism that the Republicans are pushing is perhaps more dangerous. It is so incremental that by the time the nation grasps what is going on it may be too late.

In any event the outcome will be the same, it will just take longer.

Do you think that the Republican party will hold power forever? Once Bush has started down this path the Dems will widen it to a eight lane highway. Whatever limits he sets up will get tossed aside in the end. That is why Rove's "positioning" on areas like Medicare and CFR is so irresponsible. Rove has to know this - he does not care. So to say that Bush's approach is better than "a Dean or a Clark" rings pretty hollow to my ears.

The whole lot of them are elitists and globalists, they are just infighting among themselves for power in the new order. They could care less about the nation or, more to the point, they have given up on the nation. What is the difference between Anti-American global socialism via the UN and "Post-American" Global Corporate Statism via the NAFTA/CAFTA/WTO/IMF/World Bank? The two parties are just working opposite sides of the same street.

We have lately seen the first Amendment and the 14th Amendment brutally savaged and my guess is that soon it will be the second amendment's turn. Where was the outcry from the Republican Party? They all have contempt for this nation and only what to rape and pimp her.

Bush has essentially said that he views this nation as a labor market, not as the home of the American people. It is too bad as I had really admired W. He has placed ambition before the country and I fault him for this. He is just another opportunist.

So yes, even Clinton would be better, at least we know who the enemy is. When Republicans do the dirty work for the Socialists all hope is lost.

(Though I will say that I see no hope of turning the Republican Party around. At least they will know that they cannot count on Conservatives like the Dems count on minorities. At least it gets them out in the open for what they really are and it let the partriots know what little power they really have in shaping events and thus allows them to make meaningful plans. If one cannot save the nation one might still save one's own rump. That may be all we have left.)

You've made far too many 'good points' to pick apart, and that saddens me to no end. I agree that ambition in both parties seems to have relaxed their spines but just how do you propose getting rid of or controlling the 14 million stray albatrosses bleeding this country dry?

Bush has essentially said that he views this nation as a labor market, not as the home of the American people. It is too bad as I had really admired W. He has placed ambition before the country and I fault him for this. He is just another opportunist.

Very insightful comment and well put. "The business of this country is business." This announced plan will result in a massive push by those outside the US to get in before the plan gets through Congress. It reminds me of the Haitians who were building their boats in anticipation of Clinton being elected. Clinton made all kinds of statements during the campaign about how he was going to treat the Haitians like the Cubans when it came to welcoming refugees to our shores. Of course that changed once Clinton got into office. The only reason we went into Haiti was to eliminate the proposition that Haitians were political refugees. Hence, we could return them back to Haiti.