Posted on 01/07/2004 11:29:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
Wrong. The Dems will say that the bill doesn't go far enough and that we should grant the 15 million "undocumented" workers immediate citizenship. The GOP can never outbid the Left. They just move the goal posts further to the Left.
It's Stuart.
considering your rhetoric
It's called an opinion.
you were not part of the coalition that helped elect Schwareneggar.
What does one have to do with the other? Is this a straw man technique usually attempted by Democrats?
Judging by your rhetoric you are McClintockbot, IMO.
What is a "McClintockbot"? How old are you? Is this your somewhat less than adult way of asking if I voted for Tom McClintock?
If so, the answer is no, so your HO isn't an accurate one.
It happens.
Do you still beat your wife? Yes or no?
I am stunned that in 2004, people over the age of 12 still use that "yes or no" tactic.
Reagan's former immigration policy was hideous, and even he admitted as much. So I guess you can say I agree with President Reagan that parts of his immigration policy was despicable.
Of course they will. But that annoys the majority of Hispanic Americans as well as Caucasians when they do that. The Dems have been doing a good job of showing their contempt for minorities lately.
Anyway that's what I'm saying: the House will toughen the proposal and the Senate Dems will reject it. The traditional media will bleat predictably along the lines you laid out but if people were as swayed by the media as some think, the Dems would still have the House, Senate, and Presidency in their hands.
The US needs to control its borders aboslutely - no question. We are fighting a war against Islamic terrorism and many jihadists are entering through the borders regions. The focus should be on prevention of any more coming in and checking those who are already here. How do you check them? By requiring them to sign up for temporary work permits.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
If the border is currently wide open, why don't we already have the 25 million illegals you envision? Indeed, why don't we have 50, 75, 100 million illegals? Answer: Because just like everything else humans do, illegal immigration is driven by the laws of economics, specifically the law of supply and demand.
Presently, employers have roughly 10 million positions they need filled so badly they are willing to risk legal penalties to fill them. With the adoption of a guest worker program, those employers will be able to fill those positions without legal risk. At that point, the only way 10 million more illegal job slots will open is if the economy doubles in size.
Now, you can argue that the guest worker program will lead to more guest workers, since by lowering the cost associated with hiring a Mexican citizen many employers who would otherwise have left the work go undone rather than risk hiring an illegal will now have a risk-free course to pursue. That's definitely true. But that by definition won't be illegal immigration, so sealing the border is irrelevant to that question. In fact, the net result of this will absolutely be a significant drop in illegal immigration, at which point our existing border patrol resources (increased some 10% already by Bush) will have a much easier time sealing the border against real criminals—you know, the ones who want to kill you as opposed to the ones who just want to mow your lawn.
I agree that illegal immigration is driven by the laws of economics - supply and demand. In fact I base my claims partly on supply and demand principle. In order for the gov't to make the guest workers legit, they will have to be paid the minimum wage. If this assertion holds true, then there will STILL be a demand for the illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants are outside the boundaries of the law, therefore they are paid less than the going rate. The companies that are currently paying LESS than the going rate for the illegals that they employ will not want to pay these same people the minimum wage or higher. If the amnesty program attempts to allow companies to pay less for the guest workers then it will be sued into oblivion by labor unions. So my assertion is that the guest worker program will NOT change the current level of demand for illegal workers.
Please read my comment again. My use of “grandfathered” was in reference to the jobs themselves, not the immigrants. While the burden of proof, filing fee and paperwork will fall to the illegal immigrant, according to the official press release posted on the official White House website, employers who currently employ illegal immigrants won’t even have to bother advertising the job that the illegal immigrant currently holds – it will be “assumed” that no American wants the job, simply by virtue of the fact that an illegal immigrant now holds it.
From “Background Briefing by Conference Call on Immigration Policy” :
Q So an employer won't have to fear that they'll also have to step forward and show that their worker is undocumented. Will they have to register that undocumented worker? Is that the idea?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The employer will sponsor the undocumented worker, yes. But if you're asking the question as to whether the person needs to say, okay, well, here's Mary, and she's in this spot, do we need to hold on Mary and look for some American to fill that position, the answer is, no. We assume that by virtue of Mary's employment, that marketplace test, if you will, has already been met.
Please read the document; it’s extremely interesting, for lack of a more expressive (and possibly censored) description.
I am smiling at statements like this. I'm sorry if I appear insensitive to such statements but such statements make me laugh at the absurdity. When will people finally understand that lawbreakers don't care what we think or say. They only understand physical force.
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