Case Yields Chilling Signs of Domestic Terror Plot

Yahoo! News / Los Angeles Times ^ | Wed Jan 7, 9:35 AM ET | Scott Gold

[railsplitter]

HOUSTON — One evening two winters ago, a man in Staten Island, N.Y., absent-mindedly flipped through his mail. Inside one envelope was a stack of fake documents, including United Nations (news - web sites) and Defense Department identification cards, and a note: "We would hate to have this fall into the wrong hands."

[railsplitter]

ryhmes with "p" , starts with a "t" , ya got trouble, trouble right here in river city...

[Naspino]

How come all of these guys have "common-law" wives. They have something against marriage?

[railsplitter]

1 might be an advantage in having two different last names useful in deflecting inquiries,

2 could be the authors definition of the relationship

3 aversion to the particular institution of marriage

[2banana]

Glad to see the media is back to equating terrorists to anyone who owns a gun. People were almost not believing that Islam is a religion of peace.

[petitfour]

These people had a lot bigger arsenal that a gun. Sheesh. They were prepared to inflict some damage. I wonder what would have sent them into action. I also wonder if they were under surveillance when the mail was sent to the wrong address. Or maybe I misread the story.

[railsplitter]

Last month, an east Texas man pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon of mass destruction. Inside the home and storage facilities of William Krar, investigators found a sodium-cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands, more than a hundred explosives, half a million rounds of ammunition, dozens of illegal weapons, and a mound of white-supremacist and antigovernment literature.

( Last month, an east Texas man pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon of mass destruction. )

* interesting that the individual pleaded guilty...

* personally, I am all for overthrowing a tyrannical government... the problem is in interpreting when the government has reached the point of tyranny, justifying the people's right to overthrow said entity-

[railsplitter]

The terror threat at home, often overlooked

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p02s01-usju.html

* a similar article published earlier

[eno_]

read the article: No actual bomb. Materials that can be bought legally. No evidence of an actual plot, target, time, place, etc. Not even a sawed-off shotgun or an unlicensed full-auto. These guys may be kooks, but it isn't at all clear they deserved anything other than whatever forgery complaint could be brought against them for the fake IDs.

[2banana]

To add what petitfour said:

The article basically makes the point:

Gun owners = white racists = terrorists

There are a hell of alot more cases that "Yields Chilling Signs of Domestic Terror Plot" going around than this one.

[petitfour]

The dude pleaded guilty to possession of a WMD.

[dirtboy]

Case Yields Chilling Signs of Domestic Terror Plot

Meanwhile, animal rights extremists and environmental extremists run rampant with hardly any coverage from the liberal media.

[eno_]

If a prosecutor threatened to put your whole family away for life, would you cop to whatever he offered you?

[railsplitter]

key words - liberal media

and

Krar plead guilty

[petitfour]

I would tell the truth.

[Sender]

...and that stands for pool.

[piasa]

Identity theft and fraud is no minor thing- those who engage in it are able to destroy the reputations and credit of innocent victims, incur debts on the innocent, do economic harm to credit companies and other businesses, add unneccessary red tape and costs to the legal process, obtain welfare or other benefits and entitlements fraudulently (defrauding people who unlike the perps, DO pay taxes) and engage in smuggling and other criminal activity, none of which is beneficial to our liberties but rather, give people more ammo to try to legislate them away in the name of going after criminals. These weren't teenagers trying to get beer with a fake ID, nor truckers trying to limit the number of tickets to their licenses- we are talking about birth certificates here, and most importantly, defense-related ID, the kind of fake ID which simply isn't required for petty criminals but is pretty handy for wanna-be terrorists or people who wish to undermine national security / defense.

Combined with everything else in their possession, the fake IDs are very good reason to take the case seriously and not dismiss it as a mere case of the kooks.

The documents intended for Edward Feltus, 56, of Old Bridge, N.J., included birth certificates from North Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia and phony identification cards for the Defense Intelligence Agency and the United Nations Multinational Force. Feltus pleaded guilty to possessing the documents.

[Indie]

Glad to see the media is back to equating terrorists to anyone who owns a gun

Yep... Wondering how long it would take the media to dig up some white lunatic so they could say "See Islamics aren't terrorists...it's the burr haircut guys with confederate flags we gotta' worry about!" Sheessh...

[Indie]

Yes this is serious. My previous post was not intented to imply otherwise. This was bad stuff....very bad.

[eno_]

Sorry, but it sounds like the Great White Defendant to me. Read the article again. You can scour it end to end for an actual bomb - none. An "illegal" gun, even under the microscopic scrutiny of a federal prosecutor - NONE! An actual threat to anyone or anything - NADA.

This is a reverse affimative action case. Within five miles of these guys there is probably a mosque full of young Moslem men spewing hate and vowing death to us all. These guys are kooks who think a civil war is coming - someday.