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To: sasafras
And I guess your answer is to look the other way when people break our laws. How about this - do you think that allowing these 8 million people to stay here will help the middle class?

They're obviously working and helping business and they are taking jobs most Americans don't want. I just don't see a person cleaning toilets everyday as somebody evil as you are wont to.

59 posted on 01/07/2004 6:44:30 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
"They're obviously working and helping business and they are taking jobs most Americans don't want. I just don't see a person cleaning toilets everyday as somebody evil as you are wont to."

Do you really believe that business cant find workers? Or is it more likely that they dont pay wages that are sufficient to live on. By allowing illegals to work these jobs then wages are kept artifically low and the middle and poor are hurt. Moreover many of the jobs by illegals are for cash and they do not pay taxes but recieve healthcare, education, ect.... all for free. Dont buy the line that Americans dont want these jobs or at least research it before you repeat what the liberals and Republican elitists want you to think. Remember it is business pushing this lie so that they can keep profits high and overhead low.
81 posted on 01/07/2004 6:58:17 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: Dane
"I just don't see a person cleaning toilets everyday as somebody evil as you want to."

What if one of these ILLEGAL aliens who cleans toilets and comits a murder, only to run for the border to avoid prosecution? It's happened and it's still happening. I've even heard that these same murderer's return to the United States only to comit another crime.
116 posted on 01/07/2004 7:26:26 AM PST by Arpege92
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To: Dane
"They're obviously working and helping business and they are taking jobs most Americans don't want. I just don't see a person cleaning toilets everyday as somebody evil as you are wont to."

I've had all I can stands, and I can't stands no more. The argument that Mexicans occupy jobs that Americans don't want is a crock. Around here (Atlanta) all construction is done by Mexicans. Are you going to tell me that before the Mexicans were doing the work that no American would paint a house or hang sheet-rock? No, because that would be untrue. Back in high school I worked many, many hours grilling burgers and making fries. Now, when I go to McDonalds, I have to order una hambergesa, fritas y coca-cola grande just so that I don't have to endure the quizzical look of the non-eglish speaker behind the counter. The reason the Mexicans are hired to do these things is because they can be paid so little. Since they all live together crammed into little apartments they don't need a lot of money. Plus, these Mexicans will work sun up to sun down.

Now I might admire their work ethic, but they are still criminals. Plus, their quality of work ain't necessarily what some might consider "par". If the Mexicans weren't here then those jobs would still be getting done. Employers would have to pay more, but that's how it works in a free market.

My wife works in the emergency room of a local hospital. Don't even get me started on the burden these people place on health care. They go to the emergency room for the sniffles (literally) and then don't pay a dime. What's more the hospital has to hire Spanish speaking staff just to keep things moving.

Oh, geez, and I am sick to death of having to select English or Spanish at every ATM and on every customer service line. I hate answering the phone in my office and hearing "You Speak Spanish?". I could go on, but then I would probably start hemorrhaging.

206 posted on 01/07/2004 9:26:43 AM PST by T.Smith
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