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Say It Ain't So, Dubya
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| 1/7/04
| Bob Lonsberrry
Posted on 01/07/2004 6:06:39 AM PST by shortstop
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To: pcx99
U.S. citizens are not scumbags.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:15:43 AM PST
by
nickcarraway
(www.terrisfight.org)
To: zeugma
My mother cleaned fraternities for a living and she did a great job. The students all loved her. My grandmother did the same. There's no shame in doing menial labor. Somebody has to do it. The problem with it is that the pay is poor. But, even though mom's pay was poor, she still managed to save money for two trips back to Norway and one for my dad. He died before he could go. He had never been back since he got my mother in 1938. We always ate well, dressed nicely (second hand but good quality) and never felt we were poor. My husband cleans house for one of the professors for a lot more money than my mother did. Somebody has to do it and you can take pride in anything you do if you do it well and to the best of your ability.
To: ZULU
>>Karl Rove (we should start calling him Karville Rove). <<
THAT's a keeper!!!
To: pcx99
"Actually I think President Bush is showing a great deal of courage and leadership."
I agree. I trust President Bush. I believe that any large scale effort to throw illegal workers out of the country is politically impossible. I also believe in the spirit of allowing honest hard working people to live here. Of course, if Bush's policy is adopted, I would hope that we would also strengthen our borders to prevent further illegal immigration.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:20:29 AM PST
by
zook
To: nickcarraway
I ain't voting for bush, I'm doing like my tagline sez...
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:20:56 AM PST
by
citizen
(Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
To: Dane
"They're obviously working and helping business and they are taking jobs most Americans don't want. I just don't see a person cleaning toilets everyday as somebody evil as you are wont to." I've had all I can stands, and I can't stands no more. The argument that Mexicans occupy jobs that Americans don't want is a crock. Around here (Atlanta) all construction is done by Mexicans. Are you going to tell me that before the Mexicans were doing the work that no American would paint a house or hang sheet-rock? No, because that would be untrue. Back in high school I worked many, many hours grilling burgers and making fries. Now, when I go to McDonalds, I have to order una hambergesa, fritas y coca-cola grande just so that I don't have to endure the quizzical look of the non-eglish speaker behind the counter. The reason the Mexicans are hired to do these things is because they can be paid so little. Since they all live together crammed into little apartments they don't need a lot of money. Plus, these Mexicans will work sun up to sun down.
Now I might admire their work ethic, but they are still criminals. Plus, their quality of work ain't necessarily what some might consider "par". If the Mexicans weren't here then those jobs would still be getting done. Employers would have to pay more, but that's how it works in a free market.
My wife works in the emergency room of a local hospital. Don't even get me started on the burden these people place on health care. They go to the emergency room for the sniffles (literally) and then don't pay a dime. What's more the hospital has to hire Spanish speaking staff just to keep things moving.
Oh, geez, and I am sick to death of having to select English or Spanish at every ATM and on every customer service line. I hate answering the phone in my office and hearing "You Speak Spanish?". I could go on, but then I would probably start hemorrhaging.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:26:43 AM PST
by
T.Smith
To: T.Smith
JMO, your anecdotal reply #206 is meant to stir up fears and hyperbole.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:30:16 AM PST
by
Dane
To: RiflemanSharpe
First it was Medicare now it is the illegals.No, first it was the Farm Bill.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:30:28 AM PST
by
kevao
To: pcx99
but melting pot has always changed and remade itself when it absorbed large influxes of immigrants, in over 200 years that process has made us nothing but better.There was a time when periods of immigration were followed by moratoriums on immigration, to give the new arrivals time to assimilate. The influx has been too great for the melting pot effect. There are sections of this country where English is no longer even spoken. The country is being Bulkanized.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:34:49 AM PST
by
kevao
To: Dane
Um, no. It was meant as a reply to your post. It is also representative of my opinion. I actually believe my post has more value than to "just stir up fears and hyperbole". My post is also not purely anecdotal. My statements about construction are absolutely true of the area.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:35:07 AM PST
by
T.Smith
To: biblewonk
What's the difference between breaking the law smoking crack and breaking the law by sneaking into the country and using fraudulent documents to get a job?
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:36:31 AM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: kevao
There was a time when periods of immigration were followed by moratoriums on immigration And that was when we received immigrants from a myriad of different cultures. We are taking in one culture, one country. You bet it's going to lead to the Balkanization.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:37:43 AM PST
by
riri
To: SerpentDove
Whoops, gotta go...Wal-Mart is having a sale on tinfoil.Hey, get some for me- I'm almost out!
To: shortstop
So how many here who are so quickly to condemn Dubya will also stand up and condemn RONALD REAGAN for his 1987 amnesty move!?!? Let's all hear how Reagan is not a true conservative, after all he:
1. Never limited abortion in any way, like Dubya has.
2. Appointed any "true conservatives" to the Supreme Court.
3. Dealt arms with IRAN, a known terrorist country.
4. Never gave the American people as many tax cuts in his 8 years as Dubya has already done in his almost 3 years.
Anyone? Anyone?!? The hypocrisy of some conservatives on this board is astounding.
To: org.whodat
False argument, who control's the house and senate? Well maybe not after this amnesty deal. Anyway Bush has been in office three years, how many new divisions have been added to the military? I don't understand. A larger military does not a strong defense policy make, especially in this era of World War IV when conventional forces need intelligence and special ops much more than old fashioned "numbers and artillery". Besides, this is not an amnesty deal, if you look at the details of the plan. Stop being a xenophobe and embrace GWB's political solution that takes another matter for the left off the presidential election table.
To: T.Smith
My post is also not purely anecdotal Well I will disagree with you, your post #206, is anecdotal and purely your opinion.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:50:25 AM PST
by
Dane
To: expat_panama
I'm not proud-- pay me a couple thousand$/minute and I'll be happy to wash your car. This rate prices you out of the market, if you are indeed paying attention to free market forces. Are you a union agitator?
To: medscribe
1. I'm not for abortion limiting so that doesn't wash with me.
2. Bush hasn't appointed any "true conservatives" to the Supreme Court either (yes, yes, I know there have been no openings). In fact, he hasn't managed the political muscle to get his conservatives appointed to some of the other major benches.
3. CFR, Medicare Spending, SS benefits for illegals - all of these far outweigh Iran/Contra IMO.
4. Taxes and the WOT are the two things Bush is doing right. Of course, increasing spending at such dizzying rates sort of takes the sheen off of the tax cuts, doesn't it?
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:54:34 AM PST
by
T.Smith
To: Dane
It contains my opinion, yes, but is not purely my opinion. Anyway, pardon me for posting opinion on a discussion board. As to the anecdotal nature of my comments on construction in the Atlanta area, please present facts to the contrary.
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posted on
01/07/2004 9:57:48 AM PST
by
T.Smith
To: P.O.E.
This creates wage & price distortions. It's basically free-market reaction to the distortions of the tax & regulatory burdens companies face, especially regarding employment. Perhaps. But in my city I see Hispanics doing things, running businesses, providing services that didn't exist a few months ago.
If what you say is true, that implies that businesses are purposefully breaking the law, which may be the case. In that instance, this GWB policy will rectify things somewhat at least, since workers may now register without fear of deprtation if they have a job (increasing the income tax base). Workers who have no job will still be subject to deportation.
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