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Police, teachers train for gun attack. (Rambo wannabes turn school into taxpayer funded playground)
News-Press via SOUNDOFF ^ | 01-07-04 | SARAH LUNDY

Posted on 01/07/2004 5:19:45 AM PST by AAABEST

Shortly after 9 a.m. Tuesday, the call came in to the Fort Myers police.

Officer John Harrington radioed dispatchers about shots fired in the Fort Myers High cafeteria.

The nightmare for every parent, teacher and student had begun: A madman with a gun was loose inside the school.

Luckily, this nightmare was only make believe.

It was real-life training for police and teachers in case a Columbine-type attack occurs in Fort Myers. The training at the school is the first of its kind for them.

“I thought about what I would tell a roomful of students,” said geometry teacher Janeen Overman. “I don’t like the idea that I have to think about it, but let’s get real.”

The chaos began during a teacher in-service day when the make-believe gunman — played by undercover officer Enrico Doro — fired some fake shots.

This cued the 15 drama students volunteering on their last day off from winter break to go into character.

Sophomore Erika Amaya, 15, played dead on the cafeteria floor as one of the gunman’s victims. Her friend, Jenna Jungferman, 17, joined others in running out of the cafeteria screaming, crying and waving their arms.

“As soon as the shots were fired, my emotions took over,” Jungferman said after it ended. “I don’t think I’ve ever run so fast in my life.”

Six officers working their normal patrols responded along with their supervisor. The pack put on protective gear and turned in their guns for training pistols that fired paintball-like pellets at 400 feet per second. At 9:45 a.m., they checked their weapons one more time before Sgt. Curt Roberts led them into the school.

The team soon reached the cafeteria.

“Several children in the cafeteria appear to be fine,” an officer radioed back to the command post.

Meanwhile, around 120 school staff members were in lockdown mode. They huddled in different classrooms with their doors locked and instructions not to open them for anyone.

Overman heard the shots and then someone trying to open her second-floor classroom door. “I knew it was fake, but it was scary,” she said.

Principal Richard Shafer understood.

“It was so strange to have gunfire in the halls,” he later said to Overman.

The officers took the stairs to the second floor and followed the suspect to the gym, where they cornered him. The gunman fired at the officers, hitting one in his bulletproof vest. The officers responded by shooting him dead about 19 minutes after the fake crisis began.

School officials, officers and students talked about their experience after the event. Police plan to evaluate the day’s events and put into practice the lessons they learned.

Sgt. Pat Gallagher, who first approached Shafer about the training, couldn’t go into detail for safety reasons about tactics they would do better next time.

But “it worked out well,” he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bang; children; cops; drill; fatsos; fear; guns; huh; hysteria; illogical; oink; rambo; school; stupid
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"Less than 1% of all homicides among school-aged children (5-19 years of age) occur in or around school grounds or on the way to and from school."
CDC, Facts About Violence Among Youth and Violence in Schools. May 21, 1998

Of 20 million middle-school and high-school students, fewer than a dozen have killed at school this year. Of 20,000 secondary schools nationwide, only about 10 have reported a murder on campus...
Los Angeles Times Opinion column May 31, 1998

In 1997, 25 killings occurred in schools. That same year, 88 people were killed by lightning.
Los Angeles Daily News (June 5, 1998)

What are these silly fatsos doing running around high schools with more armament than I had when overseas war (other than creating child-gun-fear hysteria?

If you do the math using the statistics above, you'll find that less than 1 in a million children where murdered (by all causes not only guns) in school.

I wonder how much this illogical "for the children" fiasco cost taxpayers.

1 posted on 01/07/2004 5:19:45 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
ping
2 posted on 01/07/2004 5:21:19 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: basil; pro2A Mom; dbwz
bump
3 posted on 01/07/2004 5:24:58 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (pro gun Mother's Day 2004! www.2asisters.org)
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To: AAABEST
Army should send some recruiters to set up booths near these dramas. Then we'll see who REALLY wants to be a warrior...
4 posted on 01/07/2004 5:26:09 AM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: AAABEST
I wondered why you chose to use crime statistics that were seven years old, then I checked the date of Columbine: April 1999.

I'm far from being an advocate of "big government", but I do believe in training our cops to protect children. It is one of the few good uses of our tax money.

I'm also concerned about your anti-police attitude: "silly fatsos?"
5 posted on 01/07/2004 5:30:08 AM PST by curtking ("Being in front of a camera may make you famous, but it doesn't make you more intelligent.")
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To: AAABEST
This is the modern day equivalent of "duck and cover" drills during the cold war.
6 posted on 01/07/2004 5:33:09 AM PST by The Scorpion King
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To: curtking
I'm far from being an advocate of "big government", but I do believe in training our cops to protect children. It is one of the few good uses of our tax money.

Lemme guess, current/ex-cop?

I'm also concerned about your anti-police attitude: "silly fatsos?"

It's a fact of life that most (not all, some are great guys) cops are overweight and not very bright - hence silly fatsos.

Thank you for your "concern"... are you my daddy smurfing as a FR poster? If not go pound a terd pile until you find someone who cares what you think.

7 posted on 01/07/2004 5:46:10 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Thank you for your "concern"... are you my daddy smurfing as a FR poster? If not go pound a terd pile until you find someone who cares what you think.

Sorry...I thought you wanted discussion on your post. I didn't realize it was just an excuse for you to spout nonsense.
8 posted on 01/07/2004 5:55:26 AM PST by curtking ("Being in front of a camera may make you famous, but it doesn't make you more intelligent.")
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To: curtking
Amen to that. Can't figure out why people get a hair across their ass when law enforcement tries to do something about saving people from gun violence. Face it, we live in a screwed up world where we should even need to consider people shooting up schools but it happens.

Several cops have told me over time that by the time they show up at a crime scene, it's already too late.

And with respect to the overweight comments, most of the cops that I know who are under 40 are in pretty good shape. Many cops also serve in the military prior to joining the force.

Not sure what the poster's issues are? Maybe he was rejected from too many police depts?
9 posted on 01/07/2004 6:03:40 AM PST by misterrob
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To: AAABEST
School has been a taxpayer funded playground for years.
10 posted on 01/07/2004 6:05:36 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: curtking
I've been spouting nonsense my entire life, why should I stop when someone pings an illogical and annoying post my way?

I'm honestly regret sounding harsh, but your advocation of stupidity combined with the lame psychoanalysis didn't lay the groundwork for a "discussion".

11 posted on 01/07/2004 6:10:20 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: misterrob
Amen to that. Can't figure out why people get a hair across their ass when law enforcement tries to do something about saving people from gun violence.

Yeah, "saving people from gun violence". Join the Million-Moms and change your FR nick to "Million Mom Misterrob". You have their talking points down pat.

And with respect to the overweight comments, most of the cops that I know who are under 40 are in pretty good shape.

I challenge anyone reading this to go to a traffic court session and simply observe. Most are overweight if not outright obese. Alcholism is a rampant and triple digit IQs are extremely hard to come by.

Maybe he was rejected from too many police depts?

HAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, but you couldn't pay me nearly enough and I haven't been on a W-2 for years.

12 posted on 01/07/2004 6:22:27 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Training police to handle such situations is good, but I fear most of the damage would be done before they arrived.

The solution, of course, is to have an armed presence in the schools. I'm an advocate of allowing people to teach without needing to get teaching certificates from some Marxist college. Life experience should count for much more to qualify as a teacher than a piece of sheepskin.

I especially believe military veterans should be recruited as teachers. They bring experience and discipline to the classroom. For example, I could teach....uh, never mind. I'm sure the young men would be interested but liberals would be horrified. However, there are many vets with military experience that could be applied to teaching.

Seriously, though, veterans could be armed in the schools. Say there's 10 vets at the school. Everyday two of the 10 vets are armed. No one - teachers or students - know which vets are armed. This tactic would create uncertainty in the mind of any whacko who might want to cause mischief.

This would allow an instant response to any situation, serving as a remedy or holding action until police arrive.
13 posted on 01/07/2004 6:51:36 AM PST by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: sergeantdave
You're on the ball and thinking outside the box. Such is a virtue, you must have been Army (like me)!

Yes there are ways to get control of our kids. Good post.

14 posted on 01/07/2004 6:56:21 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: misterrob
Face it, we live in a screwed up world where we should even need to consider people shooting up schools but it happens.

Several cops have told me over time that by the time they show up at a crime scene, it's already too late.

Well, looks like you know what the deal is. Yes, there are a lot of whackos running around, and yes, the cops usually arrive after the crime has been committed. You probably also know that as things stand, police are under no legal obligation to protect you from anything - several court cases have reinforced this point, most notably Warren v. District of Columbia.

So it looks like we have two choices in the matter. We either petition our politicians to pass laws that give law enforcement greater ability to stop a crime before it happens, or we petition them to rescind laws that make it all but impossible for the individual to protect himself.

15 posted on 01/07/2004 9:15:31 AM PST by dbwz
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To: AAABEST
From the article: "Meanwhile, around 120 school staff members were in lockdown mode. They huddled in different classrooms with their doors locked and instructions not to open them for anyone. "

The typical attacker at a school probably has some specific target in mind. I have never tried to open a schoolroom door with a shotgun, but I bet it could be done.

Most of the classrooms I attended had a full wall of unscreened windows through which a determined attacker could enter.

I wonder why they didn't cover this in their scenario? Maybe because unarmed teachers locked in their classrooms cannot protect their students from such an attack.

16 posted on 01/07/2004 10:32:50 AM PST by William Tell
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To: AAABEST
Hmmm...I do hear some cop envy in your voice. You obviously don't pay attention to state troopers or even many of the city cops who work out, box or train martial arts. My brother and his friends work inner city neighborhoods and they can all rock and roll if and when needed and I would suspect that includes handling loud mouths like you who think that they are fat, lazy and stupid. (Many cops I know went to college or are working on getting a degree after having served in the military for 4 or more years).

Your Million Mom's comment was humorous especially since I support the 2nd amendment and own 2 guns of my own. Maybe we should just issue school age kids with guns and let them fend for themselves. Or even better, maybe they should all just stay home on the prairie where they can receive proper education.
17 posted on 01/07/2004 11:16:56 AM PST by misterrob
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To: misterrob
"Cop envy".....lol.

Yeah that's it, I envy them and their high rates of alcoholism, divorce, spousal abuse and mental illness. I want to be paranoid, take a hefty pay cut, gain some weight, become an authoritarian and lower my IQ.

As I said there are great cops out there but they are few and far between. You do however have a point with troopers, they (for the most part) more professional, businesslike and down to earth than their local counterparts. They also usually get paid better, maybe that's part of the problem.

More power to the officers you describe, but they are the exception. Most are fat, undiciplined and dumb, just a simple fact of life. If you can't deal with facts as they are you should learn how.

18 posted on 01/07/2004 12:39:56 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST; curtking
"It's a fact of life that most (not all, some are great guys) cops are overweight and not very bright - hence silly fatsos. "

I don't know where you are from, but this statement is not correct.

Even if it were correct, I bet those dumb fat cops could still kick your butt.
19 posted on 01/07/2004 12:47:20 PM PST by LaraCroft (If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, does the stupid get stupider?)
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“I thought about what I would tell a roomful of students,” said geometry teacher Janeen Overman.

"All right, now, class, we're going to play a game of Human Shield now."

"What's that, Mister Drill?"

"That's where we all show how much we respect non-violence and diversity of opinion. Now you line up in three ranks right here in front of Mr. Drill's desk. That's right. Closer. Now all hold hands and sing 'We Are The World.' Mr. Drill will be keeping time from under his desk..."

20 posted on 01/07/2004 12:49:28 PM PST by Billthedrill
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