America's fate in hands of illegal aliens?

worldnetdaily.com ^ | 1/7/2004 | worldnetdaily.com

[Aliska]

cut the welfare programs and get those people employed and on the right track.

Too many of those have no work ethic and do drugs. Employers don't want to mess with them because they just cause problems. That's part of the reason why they like the illegals.

[Mamzelle]

Well, ex-scyoooooze me too! You posted directly to me in this thread, not the other way around.

So, conjurer--guess you'd better *scoot*--

Wouldn't want you to feel cornered into explaining why you're here to taunt the embittered.

[Aliska]

I think they are afraid of a civil war.

I don't know if that is true or not, but bringing more in here, legally or not, is going to push things faster to critical mass. Don't tell me they don't know that because I think they do.

People are really fed up in my part of the country, and I think that includes a lot of liberals, too.

[Cultural Jihad]

One cannot help those who enjoy feeling embittered. Those who are opposed to normalizing the legal status of otherwise lawful and productive undocumented immigrants should be shouting for joy that their big issue is finally being brought to the front burner, where there will be months if not years of debates, and faxes, and emails, and talk shows, and newscasts, and townhall meetings, and votes in Congress. Perhaps the bitterness comes from realizing that soon there will no longer be an issue to endlessly gripe and moan about.

[Mamzelle]

Otherwise lawful?

OTHERWISE lawful?

What a cute characterization. I hope OJ is listening.

[Cultural Jihad]

An accurate characterization. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants just want to do lawful work for legal tender. But those who are up to no good are not going to be eligible for normalization status according to the plan being proposed. Hence the term "otherwise lawful."

[Mamzelle]

And the uninsured driver who rearends your car and puts your kid in the wheelchair? I mean, he's "otherwise lawful."

I can think of heaps of OTHERWISE lawful people. Poor OJ was otherwise lawful, except for one, well, two murders. Other than that, a swell guy.

Which law can ***I*** break, otherwise wise?

[Cultural Jihad]

Uninsured driving is a whole different enchilada from undocumented immigration.

[Mamzelle]

A different enchilada, but a pretty hot immigrant tamale.

Curious about the OTHERWISE lawful. Somehow, when they break one OTHERWISE, they break other OTHERWISES.

They rearend your car with their uninsured one, and you're left to charge your own insurance. And pay the higher premium.

And they just melt into the scenery. EL PADRON helps them skip my town, to re-emerge in your town, driving his uninsured heap and under the padron-age of another coyote-jefe.

[Cultural Jihad]

I suppose Trancrepo can try to ban the poor if that will help make anyone less embittered.

[Mamzelle]

The poor? You mean the OTHERWISE rich?

[FITZ]

The vast majority of undocumented immigrants just want to do lawful work for legal tender. But those who are up to no good are not going to be eligible for normalization status according to the plan being proposed. Hence the term "otherwise lawful."

Bush didn't spell out a lot of things ---- he didn't say if he was going to start deporting the 25 to 35% on welfare programs, or those committing felony document fraud and identity theft. I hope he does and these undesireable types would be easy enough to find and deport. I don't know if he intends to deport those committing other crimes like shoplifting, DWI, driving without insurance, failing to pay their bills. I don't know if he said he was legalizing all 8 million if that number just was made up --- certainly all the millions of illegals here are not hard working and not totally honest.

[Cultural Jihad]

Well, there is no bill, there's nothing to vote on and nothing to sign into law. But he laid out clear, conservative, and compassionate principles upon which he wants to see legislation based and presented to him.

[FITZ]

They rearend your car with their uninsured one, and you're left to charge your own insurance. And pay the higher premium.

I actually know there is at least ONE illegal who drives with auto liability insurance. Also has no fake documents and is probably one of the more honest guys you could find around. It might be okay if this is the only kind that Bush would be legalizing. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the majority of illegals who bother with insurance.

[Mamzelle]

Well, Fitz, how much has your insurance gone up lately?

More and more are insuring themselves not just against accident, but against the uninsured.

Same deal, with vastly higher cost, in medicine.

[FITZ]

At least one of his proposals is completely wrong --- he said something about a pension plan --- handled by the Mexican government so there would be retirement money saved for the guest workers ---- they did exactly that with the Bracero program and the Mexican government stoled it. The Braceros had a lawsuit against the USA government demanding that money be replaced.

[FITZ]

A lot --- and I know a lot of people who have been hit by uninsured drivers from Mexico who are driving on our streets. I doubt the majority who drive bother with insurance --- there are estimates that 50% of the drivers here carry no insurance.

[Missouri]

they did exactly that with the Bracero program and the Mexican government stoled it.

Oh I'm shocked. Corruption by the Mexican government, who would have thought.

How many times have we bailed out the peso?

This whole illegals/amnesty/guest worker cluster______ sounds like one big welfare program for Mexico.

[Paul C. Jesup]

As an example several elements of Bush's proposal requires individuals to "apply" for things. That initial application may be a simple one page sheet that is processed in only 60 days or may become a complex, interactive process that literally takes forever to complete because of the needs and capabilities of the various departments involved in the process.

Like the IRS.

[lainde]

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