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To: Johnny_Cipher
A tough man and arguably America's greatest President.

While he was President. His selfish and egotistical third-party run gave the country the disastrous Woodrow Wilson.

6 posted on 01/06/2004 9:00:52 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
His selfish and egotistical third-party run gave the country the disastrous Woodrow Wilson.

Not knowing when one is beaten can be a benchmark of greatness too. As for "selfish and egotistical," many say it was the Progressives dangling a LaFollette candidacy in front of him that drove him to embark on his ill-advised 1912 run. Of course, Roosevent was bull-headed, a trait I can identify with and, with reservations, admire.

7 posted on 01/06/2004 9:11:31 PM PST by Johnny_Cipher ("... and twenty thousand bucks to complete my robot. My GIRL robot.")
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To: sinkspur
agreed. His ego got the better of him, but I still love him.
9 posted on 01/06/2004 9:17:28 PM PST by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: sinkspur
Yeah, imagine if the Republicans hadn't started a third-party. You'd still be voting for Whigs.
13 posted on 01/06/2004 9:29:08 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: sinkspur
While he was President. His selfish and egotistical third-party run gave the country the disastrous Woodrow Wilson.

It was only short-sighted and egotistical if you know nothing about Teddy Roosevelt. The reason he is the greatest President the US has ever known is that he wasn't a party man - he was an idea man with the ability to work within the party system to get good things done.

The reason he went back into the race wasn't totally ego, (although he did have a big problem with Taft personally,) it was more the fact that he saw Taft as a political hack who was letting the bosses back into the ballgame and undoing much of the work he had done in society and in the military.

You have to remember the only reason he became President is because the Republican bosses in NYC didn't want him to be Governor of New York and ruin their fun, so they pushed him as vice-president where they thought he would be forgotten for eight years, except fate intervened.

In many ways, he was more progressive than Republican even when he was in office. Everyone remembers "walk softly and carry a big stick" but giving people a "square deal" was just as important to him.

Busting the powers of the unions, while limiting the abuses of monopolies; attacking corruption and establishing the national park system; protecting America's borders and America's kitchens.

While I thank God every day that we have GW in charge, in many ways its only because I believe he has a lot of the same characteristics as TR. (At least I did until he started pulling all of these LBJ "great society" giveaways out of his bag of tricks.) :(

22 posted on 01/06/2004 10:12:21 PM PST by philsoc
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To: sinkspur
..his selfish and egotistical third-party run gave the country the disastrous Woodrow Wilson...

Sinky, you'd be the most niggling poster who's ever floated through FR's punchbowl. You backstab your betters and tear everything down, all just to satisfy your craving for any kind of attention. I look forward to the day when JR finally tires of your whining and naysaying and gives you your long-overdue boot.

24 posted on 01/06/2004 10:32:09 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: sinkspur
His selfish and egotistical third-party run gave the country the disastrous Woodrow Wilson.

Just heard on Curtis and Kuby radio show this morning: A group of high school students are campaigning to have the name of their school changed because the name honors a 'racist' president. The school's name? No, not Thomas Jefferson High, but Woodrow Wilson High School.

Sorry I didn't hear the location of the school.

Liberal historians have tried to suppress the fact that their icon, Wilson, was one of the most racist presidents in history.

Wilson resegregated the federal work force once he became president, after it had been desegrated all the decades since Reconstruction.

50 posted on 01/07/2004 7:05:15 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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