Bush Would Give Illegal Workers Broad New Rights

The New York Times ^ | January 7, 2004 | ELISABETH BUMILLER

[nwrep]

Wow. Bush may manage to piss off both Conservatives and Hispanics with this brilliant move.

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[oceanview]

live in the shadows? you can find them in every town in the country standing on the corner near the dunkin donuts waiting for a pickup,

[Reactionary]

"Mr. Bush will also argue, administration officials said, that his plan will make the country safer by giving the authorities a better idea of who is in the country and crossing its borders."

I don't suppose that it has occured to Mr. Bush that, by giving illegals amnesty, he is encouraging lawlessness.

The stupidity of this proposal amazes me.

[Lady Eileen]

bttt

[CHATTAB]

This is a STUPID idea!!!

[navyblue]

Workers who are approved would be permitted to travel freely between the United States and their home countries, the officials said, and would also be permitted to apply for a green card granting permanent residency in the United States.

Now this is the part that enrages me. A person who wishes to emigrate to the United States is first granted legal conditional or permanent residency. They are issued green cards and considered lawful residents of the United States. After five years, they can apply for U.S. Citizenship.

This is the normal immigration process that other nationalities have to follow. The difference is that the "other" people have to wait in their home country sometimes for years before they are issued an immigration visa.

Somebody please tell me why Mexico gets this golden key to the United States. Absolutely no other nation on the face of the earth is given this right. Do any of you have friends/relatives who have been waiting years for an immigrant visa?

I will never forgive this man for what he has done to my country! Our only chance now is to hound our congress critters without mercy until they shoot this down.

[Shermy]

Hopefully he doesn't care if it passes, and he's only doing some precampaign fundraising from the industries that profit from this.


But anyway, the Republicarats have always been for this. It's the most profitable position contributions-wise. And some expressly embrace the agenda that depressing the wage bargaining power of the American middle and lower classes - which si profitable, short-term, to industries that can't export jobs.

one of the gimmicks is having a "job" in the US. You can bet the house (you might as well) that there will be no oversight, or possible way to monitor the veracity of the businesses actually needing illegals, and unable to hire citizens or residents.

The "hispanic vote" is just a cover story. Hispanic citizens don't vote if we allow illegals or not. It's just a white liberal fantasy, adopted by the cheap-labor lobby and politicians who want to seem humane...it's actually an inhumane policy to actual citizens and residents.

You can count on this one coming up: driver's licenses for illegals, now legal. And driving job, trucking, eg, will be decreased to wages only non-home owning, non-family persons can manage. Naturally the transportation industry is giving big bucks for open borders, as are the hotel industry, etc.

[boycott]

This is Santa Bush. He's giving everyone gifts to assure his re-election.

I am a conservative Republican but I've just about had enough of Bush giving away the farm for his re-election.

[Shermy]

Somebody please tell me why Mexico gets this golden key to the United States.

Because their cheap labor is the closest, and most readily available to obtain, and allows them downwardly bargain the wages of current American citizen and resident job holders. The industries gain a short term profit reducing the labor "cost", and reward and encourage lawmakers by kicking back some of the profits as campaign contributions.

Just another way to create an American underclass. Which is profitable for some, in the short term.

[WackyKat]

Both the Left and the (phony corporate) Right have a powerful stake in massive immigration.

The Left wants it because the great majority of immigration is non-white, and they lust for the day when whites cease to be the majority in the country.

The Right wants it for the reason you stated-to depress wages, hopefully until American wages equalize with those of the Third World.

The victims are the white middle and working classes who are losing economically, socially, and politically

[Beck_isright]

"Mr. Bush will also argue, administration officials said, that his plan will make the country safer by giving the authorities a better idea of who is in the country and crossing its borders."

From Decline and Fall, Chapter 31:

"At the hour of midnight the Salerian gate was silently opened, and the inhabitants were awakened by the tremendous sound of the Gothic trumpet. Eleven hundred and sixty-three years after the foundation of Rome, the Imperial city, which had subdued and civilised so considerable a part of mankind, was delivered to the licentious fury of the tribes of Germany and Scythia."

[drlevy88]

At the very least, everyone ought to be required to start from scratch. Set Mexico's quota up to a million persons a year, fine, but illegal presence of Mexicans here should not give them a leg up on those who actually respected the laws of the USA enough to wait at home while working at a maquiladora or some such.

[drlevy88]

Oh, and what are the people who have been waiting in OTHER countries, sometimes for years, going to say? And what about those already here -- family, friends and former neighbors -- waiting for them? "Unfair, unfair!"

[Shermy]

There is a "white" self-loathing, maybe due to color, a lot due to the fact the "people" failed the socialists and didn't follow their lead. The "immigrants" fill a need to express sympathy and control on subjects who don't talk back.

But the plan effects Americans of any ethnicity. The candidate who expresses this truth without the tint of racism can win the election hardily - with massive minority support.

Also, the corporate "right" has coopted the "left" which really has no interest in supporting actual Americans, for whom they have latent hostility. You can call the lobby the "corporate-left", a mix of industry lobbies that can't outsource their labor overseas allied with left-identity groups.

[american spirit]

Yeah, the only thing that comes close to matching this bit of stupidity is "read my lips, no new taxes".

[Libloather]

The stupidity of this proposal amazes me.

What is the answer to the problem? Round 'em all up and send 'em packin'?

[RLK]

"promote compassion"

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You voted for him. He told you what you were getting.

[11B3]

"But the president's plans are expected to face a tough fight in Congress, where conservative Republicans have said they consider programs like the one the president is proposing nothing more than amnesty for people who have broken the law."

For the first time in memory, I'm sooooo thankful for the House of Representatives and their Republican leadership. I can't imagine Mr. DeLay & Co. following the President on this one, and it is a reality check that the president OBVIOUSLY needs.