Details of Bush Immigration Plan Outlined

Associated Press ^ | Jan 6, 2004 | nwrep

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[The_Eaglet]

I have called my representative about this, who is on the Judiciary committee.

Mr. President, Stop the lawbreaking, don't reward it.

[cyborg]

I am getting depressed. What's the point of voting if our officials aren't going to listen?

[Spiff]

We have a really fun thread going on about this topic here.

[Lizavetta]

The aim is ``matching willing workers with willing employers where there are jobs that Americans are not interested in filling,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Tuesday

They're also filling jobs that American workers ARE interested in filling, like construction and trade jobs, moron.

If an employer wants to save money by hiring an illegal to pick lettuce, doesn't it follow that an employer of higher-paying jobs will also want to save money by hiring an illegal, moron????

Now, low, medium and high paying wage jobs will go to the cheaper worker i.e. the illegal. The wages for all will drop, guaranteeing even more jobs that 'Americans aren't willing to do'.

[The_Eaglet]

It's time to vote in those who will.

[cyborg]

Yeah but when people get in office they seem to 'forget'. Even if they get in office, look at CA. Prop 187 got overturned by the court. All this homeland security stuff will be crap and only take away citizens' rights if they do this.

[oceanview]

who?

I still want to see how it all plays out before I make comments on it, it may well be that none of this will pass. I will say this: something needs to be done, and we all must face facts, we aren't going to be able to find and forcibly deport 10 million people. so I don't know what the answer is.

[baltodog]

Here's Baltodog's Immigration Policy:

1) You pay double the income tax for five years.
2) During those five years, you are on strictest probation. One slip, and you are out of here.
3) If, after five years, you do not wish to become a citizen, you are out of here forever.
4) Children born to you will not be considered citizens until you are.
5) If you later decide to leave for an extended period, you will forfiet your citizenship.

[winker]

Now millions of half asleep Politically Ignorant Americans are going to get a full dose of Socialism! America will rule the day they allowed a Mexican Bandit to dictate policy to them for "A FIST FULL OF VOTES"! The New World Order is stealing your BIRTHRIGHT & National INHERITANCE and soon they will come for you and your Guns for opposing their Socialist Agenda and it won't matter who is President!

[kingu]

Extremely disappointing and will be the first topic I bring up with Drier after congratulating him on Arnold's speech.

[The_Eaglet]

For chief executive, I recommend Michael Peroutka.

[zerosix]

I have heard quite a bit about this today, including on Rush. What I would like someone in the Administration to tell me is, if an illegal has worked here for a number of years and made up a Social Security number so that his/her wages could be deducted for FICA taxes, does the money in that account belong to the illegal (when it comes time to claim Social Security) or does it belong to the citizen to whom it was given in the first place, who has also been paying into it for years?

Does the Administration expect Social Security to play Solomon and cut the amount in half giving each person an equal share, or does Social Security now be forced to identify which person worked where for how long and paid into this account?

I ask this question out of a real interest as I lost my Social Security card a number of years ago but had memorized my number and always continued using it with employment, etc. When I requested a new one, I was given a different number (actually only one digit was different.)

When I called Social Security to inquire about which number was actually mine, or had I been paying into an incorrect number for years (I was advised not to tell Social Security which number I believed to be mine just in case there might be more than one account for me and this was a very good way to find out) they did identify my correct number and stated that "there had been a typo" when issuing my replacement card. I wondered how many times this had happened to to other people, as not everyone would readily remember the correct one, of course Social Security assured me that my case "was very unusual" and that "it was unlikely that the mistake would not be picked up quickly."

[CurlyBill]

I love this President, but he is completely wrong on this one...

[zerosix]

Who are they?

[B-Cause]

Bump & ditto

[Truth29]

"so I don't know what the answer is."

One way to approach the problem is to enforce the laws against employing illegal aliens. If companies face real and expensive enforcement actions, the demand will dry up and a lot of the illegals will take themselves back across the border. We must stop American business from being the magnet for all of this cross border invasion.

[oceanview]

how do you find them? how many law enforcement people are we going to employ looking for them?

the guest worker program would be a good idea actually, but I don't think we can manage it and the courts and the immigration lawyers and ACLU will destroy it. For it to work, you must restrict the US jobs open for the program, otherwise you'll have mexicans coming to texas (legally) to work at pickup truck plants for half the current wage, how do you stop that?

the answer might be to increase legal immigration from mexico, but disallow that chance for anyone currently in the country illegally. it might cause a flood of illegals to return on their own, to take a chance at getting into the US legally, since as legal residents, more and better paying jobs would be possible for them since many US companies will not hire illegals, so being illegal leaves them in the lower paying "underground" jobs.