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Details of Bush Immigration Plan Outlined
Associated Press ^ | Jan 6, 2004 | nwrep

Posted on 01/06/2004 6:43:55 PM PST by nwrep

WASHINGTON (AP)--A plan being proposed by President Bush would give legal status to foreign workers, including millions already toiling in America's underground economy, removing the fear of deportation but not putting them on a fast track toward permanent U.S. residency.

In a speech Wednesday at the White House, Bush will ask Congress to approve changes to immigration policy, arguing that they would make the country safer by giving officials a better idea of who is crossing the border, bolster the economy by fulfilling employers' needs and protect illegal workers' rights.

Also, in a nod to conservatives who oppose any reward to those who enter the United States illegally, Bush is including in his plan incentives--such as the promise of retirement benefits and the ability to open tax savings accounts--to entice the workers to return to their home countries.

Immigrant advocacy groups say the president's proposal, known as a ``temporary worker program'' and outlined by senior administration officials Tuesday night, falls short of comprehensive reform. On the other hand, groups wanting to curb immigration say the president's proposal for a three-year temporary worker plan, rewards foreign workers who broke the law when they entered the United States.

``It's a two-step amnesty,'' said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates strict immigration rules.

``It's not what the folks on the left want, which is a quick green card, but it is an amnesty nonetheless,'' he said. ``It legalizes illegal immigrants and is going to increase the number of green cards so that people will be able to move through the system faster.'' A green card grants an immigrant permanent residency.

``Extremely disappointing,'' said Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic immigrant advocacy group.

``It's a serious backtracking to where the president was two years ago when the administration was prepared to provide some kind of path to legal status,'' she said. ``They're proposing to invite people to be guest workers without providing any meaningful opportunity to remain in the United States to become legal permanent residents. It appears to be all about rewarding employers who have been hiring undocumented immigrants while offering almost nothing to the workers themselves.''

There are an estimated 8 million to 10 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, perhaps half from Mexico.

The proposed change in U.S. immigration policy could smooth relations with Mexico and help lure Latino voters.

The announcement comes just before Bush's scheduled meeting with Mexico's President Vicente Fox next week at the Summit of the Americas in Monterey, Mexico. Mexican officials have complained that the administration sought their help to improve border security and combat drug trafficking but failed to respond to pleas for an easing of U.S. immigration policy.

The aim is ``matching willing workers with willing employers where there are jobs that Americans are not interested in filling,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Tuesday. ``It's important that we have a fair immigration policy and an immigration policy that addresses those economic needs.''

Bush also is expected to broadly discuss giving workers from some countries expanded access to Social Security benefits, sources familiar with the plan said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Current law generally requires any worker--legal or illegal, citizen or non-citizen--in the United States to have a total of about 10 years of work history to become eligible for Social Security retirement benefits.

Under reciprocal agreements the United States has with about 20 nations, some foreign workers are permitted to count work history in their native countries toward the 10 years they need to become eligible for Social Security benefits. These agreements also keep workers and employers from paying taxes into both countries' government retirement systems.

New agreements, especially with Mexico, could dramatically increase the number of foreign workers and their families eligible for Social Security in the United States, regardless of their legal status. The Bush administration has been considering such an agreement with Mexico for some time, but the sources said Bush wasn't expected to identify specific countries in his speech.

A big concern about a possible agreement with Mexico would be the huge number of Mexican workers in the United States, and the financial burden that could place on a Social Security system already facing major shortfalls starting in the next 15 years or so.

The Social Security Administration has estimated that an agreement with Mexico could cost $78 million in the first year, and soar to $650 million by 2050; congressional investigators think those figures could be low.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/06/2004 6:43:55 PM PST by nwrep
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2 posted on 01/06/2004 6:44:26 PM PST by nwrep
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3 posted on 01/06/2004 6:47:38 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Hi Mom! Hi Dad!)
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To: nwrep
I have called my representative about this, who is on the Judiciary committee.

Mr. President, Stop the lawbreaking, don't reward it.

4 posted on 01/06/2004 6:48:33 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: The_Eaglet
I am getting depressed. What's the point of voting if our officials aren't going to listen?
5 posted on 01/06/2004 6:49:28 PM PST by cyborg
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To: nwrep
We have a really fun thread going on about this topic here.
6 posted on 01/06/2004 6:50:39 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: nwrep
The aim is ``matching willing workers with willing employers where there are jobs that Americans are not interested in filling,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Tuesday

They're also filling jobs that American workers ARE interested in filling, like construction and trade jobs, moron.

If an employer wants to save money by hiring an illegal to pick lettuce, doesn't it follow that an employer of higher-paying jobs will also want to save money by hiring an illegal, moron????

Now, low, medium and high paying wage jobs will go to the cheaper worker i.e. the illegal. The wages for all will drop, guaranteeing even more jobs that 'Americans aren't willing to do'.

7 posted on 01/06/2004 6:51:46 PM PST by Lizavetta (Savage is right. Extreme liberalness is a mental disorder.)
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To: cyborg
It's time to vote in those who will.
8 posted on 01/06/2004 6:52:00 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: The_Eaglet
Yeah but when people get in office they seem to 'forget'. Even if they get in office, look at CA. Prop 187 got overturned by the court. All this homeland security stuff will be crap and only take away citizens' rights if they do this.
9 posted on 01/06/2004 6:55:11 PM PST by cyborg
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To: The_Eaglet
who?

I still want to see how it all plays out before I make comments on it, it may well be that none of this will pass. I will say this: something needs to be done, and we all must face facts, we aren't going to be able to find and forcibly deport 10 million people. so I don't know what the answer is.
10 posted on 01/06/2004 6:55:33 PM PST by oceanview
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To: nwrep
Here's Baltodog's Immigration Policy:

1) You pay double the income tax for five years.
2) During those five years, you are on strictest probation. One slip, and you are out of here.
3) If, after five years, you do not wish to become a citizen, you are out of here forever.
4) Children born to you will not be considered citizens until you are.
5) If you later decide to leave for an extended period, you will forfiet your citizenship.
11 posted on 01/06/2004 6:55:37 PM PST by baltodog
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To: nwrep
Now millions of half asleep Politically Ignorant Americans are going to get a full dose of Socialism! America will rule the day they allowed a Mexican Bandit to dictate policy to them for "A FIST FULL OF VOTES"! The New World Order is stealing your BIRTHRIGHT & National INHERITANCE and soon they will come for you and your Guns for opposing their Socialist Agenda and it won't matter who is President!
12 posted on 01/06/2004 6:58:14 PM PST by winker
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To: nwrep
Extremely disappointing and will be the first topic I bring up with Drier after congratulating him on Arnold's speech.
13 posted on 01/06/2004 6:58:54 PM PST by kingu
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To: oceanview
For chief executive, I recommend Michael Peroutka.
14 posted on 01/06/2004 6:59:34 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: nwrep
I have heard quite a bit about this today, including on Rush. What I would like someone in the Administration to tell me is, if an illegal has worked here for a number of years and made up a Social Security number so that his/her wages could be deducted for FICA taxes, does the money in that account belong to the illegal (when it comes time to claim Social Security) or does it belong to the citizen to whom it was given in the first place, who has also been paying into it for years?

Does the Administration expect Social Security to play Solomon and cut the amount in half giving each person an equal share, or does Social Security now be forced to identify which person worked where for how long and paid into this account?

I ask this question out of a real interest as I lost my Social Security card a number of years ago but had memorized my number and always continued using it with employment, etc. When I requested a new one, I was given a different number (actually only one digit was different.)

When I called Social Security to inquire about which number was actually mine, or had I been paying into an incorrect number for years (I was advised not to tell Social Security which number I believed to be mine just in case there might be more than one account for me and this was a very good way to find out) they did identify my correct number and stated that "there had been a typo" when issuing my replacement card. I wondered how many times this had happened to to other people, as not everyone would readily remember the correct one, of course Social Security assured me that my case "was very unusual" and that "it was unlikely that the mistake would not be picked up quickly."

15 posted on 01/06/2004 7:00:29 PM PST by zerosix
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To: nwrep

I love this President, but he is completely wrong on this one...


16 posted on 01/06/2004 7:01:11 PM PST by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: The_Eaglet
Who are they?
17 posted on 01/06/2004 7:01:37 PM PST by zerosix
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To: CurlyBill
Bump & ditto
18 posted on 01/06/2004 7:04:59 PM PST by B-Cause
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To: oceanview
"so I don't know what the answer is."

One way to approach the problem is to enforce the laws against employing illegal aliens. If companies face real and expensive enforcement actions, the demand will dry up and a lot of the illegals will take themselves back across the border. We must stop American business from being the magnet for all of this cross border invasion.

19 posted on 01/06/2004 7:08:41 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29
how do you find them? how many law enforcement people are we going to employ looking for them?

the guest worker program would be a good idea actually, but I don't think we can manage it and the courts and the immigration lawyers and ACLU will destroy it. For it to work, you must restrict the US jobs open for the program, otherwise you'll have mexicans coming to texas (legally) to work at pickup truck plants for half the current wage, how do you stop that?

the answer might be to increase legal immigration from mexico, but disallow that chance for anyone currently in the country illegally. it might cause a flood of illegals to return on their own, to take a chance at getting into the US legally, since as legal residents, more and better paying jobs would be possible for them since many US companies will not hire illegals, so being illegal leaves them in the lower paying "underground" jobs.
20 posted on 01/06/2004 7:15:45 PM PST by oceanview
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