[You Dirty Rats]

The Welfare State is a problem on many levels. Immigration issues become problems in part due to the welfare state.

Immigration policy needs work. So does welfare policy. It isn't asinine to talk about any of this.

[hchutch]

The question is, how do you solve it within the limited resources available while at the same time guarding civil liberties?

Oh, and while we're at it, let's make sure we can do so in a manner that does not seem mindless or as an injustice.