[webstersII]

"Some may not have noticed, but we are at war."

A war is something that has a definable exit strategy and obvious point of victory.

We are not at war. We are under siege from a largely unseen enemy. That takes different tactics and a different mindset.

[Naspino]

We are at war and we have been invaded. Its like some Sci-Fi movie where the bad guy looks like me and you and his weapon comes out of his belly when needed. I don't think the constitution provided for that type of war which requires security and scrutiny of citizens.

Does anyone here disagree that we need heightened security to prevent terrorism? I think the probkem is that the government didn't ammend the constitution to provide for it -- i.e. perhaps a new war ammendment or modifying the martial law.

[RightWhale]

A war is something that has a definable exit strategy and obvious point of victory

A game might. This is not a game with rules agreed beforehand. What you are witnessing is a long, slow mobilization for war. 2 years ago, after WTC911, FR held discussion of how the war would go. At the time some thought that the war would slowly ramp up until it became the massive war many expect WW III to be, nukes and all. It was just a question of schedule. Still looks that way.