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An article I published today about the rising Red Chinese naval capabilities.
1 posted on 01/06/2004 9:05:15 AM PST by Jeff Head
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2 posted on 01/06/2004 9:06:37 AM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: joanie-f; Dukie; Squantos; JohnHuang2; k.trujillo; Travis McGee; Critter; Lurker; harpseal; ...
FYI...an article I published today while working on Volume V of my series.

Got to run to an eye doctor appointment now...will check back in on this later.

3 posted on 01/06/2004 9:06:57 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Bump
4 posted on 01/06/2004 9:07:56 AM PST by knighthawk (Live today, there is no time to lose, because when tomorrow comes it's all just yesterday's blues)
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To: Jeff Head
Thx for posting this. 'Pod
6 posted on 01/06/2004 9:14:22 AM PST by sauropod (Excellence in Shameless Self-Promotion)
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To: Jeff Head; 4ConservativeJustices
Thanx for posting this--bttt
9 posted on 01/06/2004 9:29:50 AM PST by Ff--150 (What is Is)
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To: Jeff Head
BUMP Glad you are keeping up on this. *Anyone* ever contact you to discuss this stuff or see your research?
12 posted on 01/06/2004 9:36:14 AM PST by Libertina (If it moves, tax it. If it doesn't move it's a sitting duck - tax it TWICE!)
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To: Jeff Head
Bump for careful read in a little while!
13 posted on 01/06/2004 9:37:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Jeff Head
Good article.

The Communist Chinese consider the U.S their primary enemy. They are preparing to fight us & win. And they are doing it with our money & technology.

One of Clinton's legacies is his wholesale treason of massively transferring critical technology to the Communist Chinese. (Make no mistake. This was not about money. Clinton was and is a Communist agent recruited and run by the Soviet Union and passed to Communist China.) Communist China's naval build-up is just one of the results.

Our counter-strategy needs to be kick-started. Not only do our Naval forces need to be expanded, but we must aid & integrate our allies.

We must quit messing around about Taiwan. Allow Free China to buy the equipment they have been clamoring for. Continue the push for expansion of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force plus South Korea's and the Republic of Philipine's navies. Make overatures to India. And start holding massive integrated naval exercises with these and ANZAC navies.

The dragon is awakening, and he is hungry.
14 posted on 01/06/2004 9:40:06 AM PST by DakotaGator
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The latest carrier obtained in this fashiopn is the most troubling. It is the Russian carrier, the Varyag. The Varyag is.a relatively modern design and could be made into something that is very capable.

Nope.

It's a rusted out hulk in disastrous shape (it wasn't sealed properly and was left open to the elements for years) and very little was completed on it besides the basic hull.

One could only hope the PRC would be stupid enough to try to put it back into service. Would probably take more time and money than building a new one.

Given construction time, the immense amount of time to figure out and train for the intricate dance of carrier operations, you're probably looking at 15-20 years for the PLAN to have anything even vaguely resembling real carrier capability.

15 posted on 01/06/2004 9:40:10 AM PST by John H K
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To: Jeff Head
Do you ever get anyone in the government to listen to you?
16 posted on 01/06/2004 9:42:51 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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Blah, blah, and the Soviets were tough... we'll kick China so far in the ass they'll think they're Siam.
38 posted on 01/06/2004 11:49:56 AM PST by Porterville (I am the Anti-Oprah. True love is hating a liberal.)
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Not to mention each of the 4 Sovremenny destroyers are equipped with 8-SS-N-22 Sunburn ramjet anti-ship missiles (nuclear capable). Methinks the Russians are still deadly enemies along with the PRC.
42 posted on 01/06/2004 12:37:52 PM PST by cincysux
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To: Jeff Head
Is it possible that the PRC is getting ready to fight an enemy that will not exist when their preparations are complete?

By that, I mean the USN may have evolved substantially by the time the PLAN is ready to fight the current USN. It may be a situation sort of like preparing to fight a war with battleships just as the carrier and the submarine become the dominant forces at sea. I am not certain what the "future war" concepts of the USN embrace, so it would be interesting to see a post on it.

On the other hand SSN-19 "Sunburns" hurt no matter how advanced your surface forces get...
48 posted on 01/06/2004 12:52:14 PM PST by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: Jeff Head
BTT for a great reference article.
54 posted on 01/06/2004 1:15:40 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Jeff Head
Fascist Chinese Empire bump.

64 posted on 01/06/2004 9:20:56 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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Jeff: How would the chinese deal with a high altitude stealth bomber? Carriers only work if the airspace above and around them are completely clear of hostile bombers.

If they actually start building carriers, wouldn't this suggest that they believe they can neutralize our stealth technology?

66 posted on 01/06/2004 10:49:23 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Jeff Head
Modern ships with dazzle paint schemes? Or are those cables or lnes criss crossing on the hull?


78 posted on 01/07/2004 10:22:45 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Jeff Head
Thank you for posting.

China is evolving into a significant maritime nation.

This is a significant factor in becoming a world power (or a world threat)
83 posted on 01/07/2004 11:08:36 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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84 posted on 01/07/2004 11:11:01 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Freedom is a package deal - with it comes responsibilities and consequences.)
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To: Jeff Head
A few things to consider:

1.) Back in the last '90s, a US Navy carrier battle group trained with their Russian counterparts in a simulated joint air-land-sea battle. This included carrier operations. The Russians had only ONE pilot that had ever landed on a carrier deck for real. The rest had only done it on land 'between the stripes'. It took that one pilot a couple of weeks to get the large majority of his fellow pilots to attempt a carrier landing in their SU-27s. After that, the pilots were still reluctant to do so, and would only conduct air ops during daylight hours under VFR rules. The Russians were completely amazed when, on their best day they unloaded their aircraft carrier of all 25 (I think it was 25) jets in just over 8 hours. 8 HOURS!!! For 25 jets. Then the Americans unloaded all 90 combat aircraft in 45 minutes. In the dark. Under tactical lighting no less. (Read as NVGs and IR lighting ONLY.) And to top it off, the Americans brought them all back in just over an hour. The Russian aircraft chose to land on shore, returning the following day, with landing ops taking over 10 hours. Let the Russians teach the ChiComs all they know about running a carrier. PLEASE.

The ChiComs aren't the only game in town when it comes to building new stuff. The DD-21 class destroyers are getting through the planning stages (finally), so that 'littoral' warship is coming. Included below is a rendition of it, as well as some more info.

There is an added level of stealth for this (and all vessels, tanks, aircraft, and structures) that will soon be employed forces wide. I won't be the one to spill it though.

The DD-21 Zumwalt-class Land Attack Destroyer replaces the DD 963 and FFG 7 Classes of destroyer and frigate in today's inventory. The DD 21 System will provide an advanced level of land attack in support of the ground campaign and contribute to naval, joint and combined battlespace dominance in littoral operations. The DD 21 will be a true fleet destroyer, capable of handling any mission that a Fleet commander might ask, from key wartime missions in land attack and undersea warfare to the equally important presence missions, noncombatant evacuations, escort, and diplomatic missions that have been closely associated with Navy destroyers for almost a century.

Like today's Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers, DD 21 will be a multi-mission ship, capable of providing forward presence and deterrence, and operating as a vital part of naval, joint and combined maritime forces to gain battlespace dominance in littoral operations. But unlike today's destroyers, DD 21's primary mission will be land attack support for ground forces. Armed with 5-inch/62 extended range guided munitions and 155mm Howitzers, the ship will provide naval gunfire support up to 100 miles inland. A land attack missile system will extend support between 100 and 200 miles. Tactical Tomahawk missiles will be able to reach targets from 200 to 1,600 nautical miles.

DD 21 will have the most advanced undersea warfare combat systems ever installed on a surface combatant. The ship's hangar will house attack helicopters as well as a system of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV). In concert with other ships, DD 21 will contribute surveillance and force to establish and maintain local air superiority.

The DD 21 program emphasizes more than just improved offensive and defensive capabilities. Because DD 21's design will incorporate only the most advanced systems and materials on the market today, ships of the class can remain battle-ready with minimal maintenance and greatly reduced manpower. Design characteristics such as submarine-like survivability and a significantly reduced radar signature, achieved through a fully integrated topside design, will significantly expand the mission of the surface combatant.

As with previous destroyer designs, DD 21 will be focused on the key mission areas facing the nation and the Navy during its design phase. The Navy believes it needs a destroyer that is capable of exceptional performance in the littoral regions of the world and one that can provide significant support to forces ashore. As a result, DD 21 must excel in mission areas that include land attack and maritime dominance. DD 21 will provide an advanced level of land attack in support of the ground campaign, while contributing to naval, joint, and combined battlespace dominance in littoral operations. Given the large inventory of upgraded CG 47 and new DDG 51 Class ships that will be in the fleet by the time the first few DD 21 class ships begin to join the fleet after 2008, a robust self defense capability in air defense will be sufficient for this ship.

88 posted on 01/07/2004 11:43:34 AM PST by 11B3 (Democratic Socialists of America: 78 members in Congress. Treason? YES.)
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